Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:49:08 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n04An461000736 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:49:05 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n04AjC00007196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:45:12 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n03N1HCj012441; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:44:58 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 181444 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:44:58 +0100 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id n04AiwMS003591 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:44:58 +0100 Received: from lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.148]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n04AikjX012120 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 2009 11:44:49 +0100 Received: from morningstar2.demon.co.uk ([80.176.134.7] helo=[192.168.0.4]) by lon1-post-1.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1LJQTM-00072B-Ya for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 04 Jan 2009 10:44:44 +0000 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Windows/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <495F8D32.3080703@morningstar2.co.uk> <495F95F9.5060801@gmx.de> <495FA975.4070309@morningstar2.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <4960931D.6040302@morningstar2.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 10:44:45 +0000 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Joseph Wright Subject: Re: \begin{} ... \end{} To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <495FA975.4070309@morningstar2.co.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -2.599 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2009 10:49:08.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[12270970:01C96E5A] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5578 Joseph Wright wrote: > > \latexstart > > \loadclass{article} > > \loadmodule{whatever-module} > > \documentstart > > Some text > > \itemizestart > \item An item > \item Another one > \itemizeend > > \documentend > > \latexend Looking back over this, I suspect that the current LaTeX model is pretty good at the user level. Of course, there will be a need to differentiate LaTeX3 and LaTeX2e documents, but I guess \NeedsTeXFormat should work fine there. So the structure: \NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX3} \documentclass{article} % Loads something like article.cls3 % or article.ltx3.cls \usepackage{whatever} % Perhaps \usemodule or \loadmodule better? % Perhaps .mod extension rather than .sty, % or perhaps whatever.ltx3.sty? \begin{document} Some text \begin{some-env} Text \end{some-env} \emph{With emphasis} or not. \end{document} still looks like the best plan to me. Of course, that leaves a lot of other questions, but you have to start somewhere. -- Joseph Wright