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Subject: Re: \begin{<env>} ... \end{<env>}
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Joseph Wright wrote:
> Arno Trautmann wrote:
>>> \latexstart
>> What is this good for?=E2=80=A6
>=20
> Just an idea, based on \starttext from ConTeXt.  I quite liked the idea=

> that the entire document was within a "latex environment".  Totally
> unnecessary, of course.

Isn=E2=80=99t the \starttext like \begin{document}?

>>> \itemizestart
>>>   \item An item
>>>   \item Another one
>>> \itemizeend
>> Now that I read code not written by me, I notize a disadvantage: It=E2=
=80=99s
>> much harder to distinguish macros from environments. Maybe
>>
>> \itemize_start
>>   \item
>>   \item
>> \itemize_end
>>
>> might be better?
>=20
> This takes us back to the category code of non-letter characters: I
> doubt that having _ as a document-level "letter" is a good plan.  Of
> course, you could do something like
>=20
> \def\itemize_#1{% _ *not* a letter
>   % Do tests on #1
> }

That=E2=80=99s not really beautiful=E2=80=A6
Maybe \itemizeStart?

> I'm not sure that this is much of an improvement on sticking with the
> current scheme, however. Perhaps this shows us the wisdom of using
> \begin{...} and \end{...}.

Yes=E2=80=A6 I think, that was a very clever person who invented this=E2=80=
=A6

cheers
Arno


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