Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:38:02 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB4Dc0ER018692 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:38:01 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB4DXSKt030204 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:33:28 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB3N1cDJ008667; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:33:10 +0100 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 188574 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:33:10 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id mB4DXAQU014193 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:33:10 +0100 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.244]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB4DX5ZS001464 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:33:09 +0100 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c5so3993656rvf.10 for ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:33:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.26.19 with SMTP id d19mr6929511rvj.184.1228397584733; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:33:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.76.4 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:33:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4936E30A.5080209@morningstar2.co.uk> <87ljuxlybp.fsf@fawkes.hogwarts> <039B3783CD514B509970052B8B93789E@JavierPC> X-Spam-Whitelist: Message-ID: <27990a880812040533x3316ce17n3e5ae0777b9590c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 00:03:04 +1030 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Will Robertson Subject: Re: expl3 "token list" terminology To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <039B3783CD514B509970052B8B93789E@JavierPC> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -2.599 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2008 13:38:02.0623 (UTC) FILETIME=[879C28F0:01C95615] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5497 On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Javier Bezos wrote: >> LaTeX3 is already far away from TeX. Maybe too far. Don't push >> it even farther away by reinventing terms and definitions. > > Agreed, definitely. I think it's time to simplify the syntax, > getting the essential. Hi Javier, I know you've written about this before, but I think I've lost the post (or rather, never received it and read it through the archives at some stage) where you go into detail about your thoughts on this matter. I think if we are going to change the fundamental syntax of the expl3 package, the sooner the better, and over the next few months is probably the time to discuss things again. I think the recent letters by Morten, Joseph and I on the different "argument specifications" showed that there are many different cases to consider, and also lots of scope for different solutions. Do you have a copy of your ideas or would you be willing to repeat them again here? Thanks, Will