Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:35:39 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m9UDZV4N023498 for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:35:32 +0100 Received: from comedy.dante.de (localhost. [127.0.0.1]) by comedy.dante.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m9UDZRZg023358; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:35:27 +0100 Received: from pluto.open.ac.uk (pluto.open.ac.uk [137.108.145.32]) by comedy.dante.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m9UDZN9W023332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:35:24 +0100 Received: from fell.open.ac.uk ([137.108.10.119]) by pluto.open.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KvXhU-0005li-6I for latex-team@latex-project.org; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:36:36 +0000 Received: (from car2@localhost) by fell.open.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id MAA28483; Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:54:46 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: fell.open.ac.uk: car2 set sender to car2@fell.open.ac.uk using -f From: Chris Rowley MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <18697.44693.705326.885864@fell.open.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:54:45 +0000 To: "LaTeX Team" Subject: Re: how much base engine variation do we want? In-Reply-To: <27990a880810291612v455c07aak2a00443e181873e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <18656.30534.775999.877650@morse.mittelbach-online.de> <859ec5630810240114w6acacdfep5bb2fcd2b6c1f19a@mail.gmail.com> <18696.25729.957701.368319@fell.open.ac.uk> <27990a880810291612v455c07aak2a00443e181873e5@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.76 under Emacs 20.7.1 X-DANTE-Spam-Score: -2.599 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 213.139.130.197 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 80.237.159.15 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 80.237.159.15 X-BeenThere: latex-team@latex-project.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: latex-team-bounces@latex-project.org Errors-To: latex-team-bounces@latex-project.org X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -102.599 () BAYES_00,USER_IN_WHITELIST Return-Path: latex-team-bounces@latex-project.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Oct 2008 13:35:39.0363 (UTC) FILETIME=[65C32B30:01C93A94] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5411 Will > > ^1 and for many many^a years to come, I prophecy. > > ^a if any monolithic Tex-compatible processor has that long to last > > in widespread use??? > > Do you actually think that TeX will just die out because > MS-/Open-Office become "good enough"? I think the relegating of LaTeX > to niche status happened long ago -- relative to my own age :) I don't > see that niche changing much in size going forward, however. That depends on what you mean by 'become good enough'! Suppose that I could reasonably easily select any sensible part of the underlying XML file and apply 'any of XeTeX's current typesetting algorithms to it' (and also fully integrate SVG graphics with text and maths, or choose full implememtions of the Karow-Zapf (hz etc.) algorithms, and maybe other layers of icing). Then, not only would Jonathan K's life be fulfilled but a lot of the 'more casual use of TeX-based systems as technical word-processors and for typographical quality' would not need to use TeX' batch-mode processing model. This could make a lot of current users to leave TeX, espacially if we provide cut-and-paste technology to/from their favourite text editor's screen interface. Conversion LaTeX <--> (common XML document schemas) is already serious business. I don't think that LaTeX is any more niche than it has ever been and I suspect that its use as a language is still growing. The question is, what software will that language be processed by? This still leaves very important uses of TeX purely as a part of a highly automated batch processor producing 100s of bank statements and other businnes documents per second. Here it is not so clear whether anything more radical than the error-prevention/handling is worth changing in TeX. Of course, if I spend my time just explaining this rather than organising some of it, then I shall verily be an false prophet:-). Meanwhile, how is XeTeX-math doing? Ready to tackle typesetting the MathML spec and associated tables of characters/glyphs yet? Cheers, chris _______________________________________________ Latex-team mailing list Latex-team@latex-project.org https://lists.dante.de/mailman/listinfo/latex-team