Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:26:13 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m8KEQ46T010242 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:26:05 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m8KEKhkg003271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:20:43 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8JM1EcW008179; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:20:34 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 38733 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:20:33 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8KEKXdZ008593 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:20:33 +0200 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m8KEKOAg016452 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:20:29 +0200 Received: from morse.mittelbach-online.de (p4FD477E0.dip.t-dialin.net [79.212.119.224]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1Kh3K02boJ-0004qd; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:20:28 +0200 Received: by morse.mittelbach-online.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id A9DEB65540; Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:20:25 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/0fXYogvlOTUTvI2rdDU8xK1jFZPjdYByfvNN 5pwUG8EfABloilMZcvLGXkqgDfemB1c9voW26nmunh3DtlMfuc EhcerWK6D4jbR3Fqn7lpTtZVhw9V7yp X-Spam-Whitelist-Provider: Message-ID: <18645.1705.460950.360763@morse.mittelbach-online.de> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:20:25 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Frank Mittelbach Subject: Re: l3messages To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -102.464 () BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO,USER_IN_WHITELIST X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Sep 2008 14:26:14.0032 (UTC) FILETIME=[D60AE900:01C91B2C] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5377 Joseph Wright writes: > Will and I have briefly discussed l3messages, and I thought I'd summarise > for the list a few observations: [...] > Over all, I'd suggest this needs some attention, but first some kind of > updated structure should be agreed. sorry for joining so late ... yes you are absolutely right, this module needs even more than just "some" attention. It is one of those modules that date back to the very first version of expl3 (predating LaTeX2e even). so it isn't really surprising it it is much more concerned with saving space etc than it would need to these days. yes this needs a complete new design frank