Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:15:59 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m8AJFrjr020427 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:15:54 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m8AJAlbs030071 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:10:47 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8AI4G4o030740; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:10:45 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 33105 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:10:45 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8AJAjac002679 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:10:45 +0200 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m8AJAgPV029961 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:10:45 +0200 Received: from morse.mittelbach-online.de (p4FD4416E.dip.t-dialin.net [79.212.65.110]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1KdV5N1Ysu-0001So; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:10:41 +0200 Received: by morse.mittelbach-online.de (Postfix, from userid 501) id 450ED64B0E; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:10:38 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <8D5403E89293A448A409DDDD1531CE1801951A53@defrm202.emea.corp.eds.com> <48C6A2C3.7030203@morningstar2.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/lQyvCN76THGTZj2k8apkcWIsPMvedPJ+QXnp 7bUYihlyXMnryzNNkfBSip4fJfz4ZKsftVvC0/R17Pe6oWW8f4 /o/5+1rSl2qDGxlrQGwIJiQbietGRix X-Spam-Whitelist-Provider: Message-ID: <18632.7085.805761.721446@morse.mittelbach-online.de> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:10:37 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Frank Mittelbach Subject: Re: def:NNn --- was tlp type To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <48C6A2C3.7030203@morningstar2.co.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -102.464 () BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO,USER_IN_WHITELIST X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Sep 2008 19:15:59.0186 (UTC) FILETIME=[A8456320:01C91379] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5278 Joseph, > I'll revise what I have, in that case. I'm getting the hang of this, > honestly! nice (that getting the hand of it I mean :-); if people like you seriously start playing with it we should be able to sort out the rough edges and provide additional stuff fairly fast. > > it is a bit like the newcount newcounter discussion yeaterday > > ... \def:NNn is kind of an attempt to carry more or less "user-level" > > functions into the language and they don't belong there > > On the counter discussion, you'll see (in xnotes2bib) I've stuck with > the low-level variant but needing to make it available to the user. I > hope this is the right idea. what we really need to do is to provide a user level interface for that, that then can be reused at package level for offering user accessible counters > As I've said, I'm asking to understand things. which is great frank