Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:31:26 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m89HVKQD012694 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:31:21 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m89HQ8Mo019273 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:26:08 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m89GZjpA015958; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:26:02 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 28576 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:26:02 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m89HQ2Pc011274 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:26:02 +0200 Received: from spmler2.mail.eds.com (spmler2.mail.eds.com [194.128.225.188]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m89HPrTH019127 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:25:57 +0200 Received: from spmlir2.mail.eds.com (spmlir2-2.mail.eds.com [205.191.69.204]) by spmler2.mail.eds.com (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m89HPlBA020747 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:25:47 +0100 Received: from spmlir2.mail.eds.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by spmlir2.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m89HPaTN006090 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:25:36 +0100 Received: from DERUM100.emea.corp.eds.com ([145.16.186.33]) by spmlir2.mail.eds.com (8.13.8/8.12.10) with ESMTP id m89HPa1a006081 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:25:36 +0100 X-EDSINT-Source-Ip: 145.16.186.33 Received: from defrm202.emea.corp.eds.com ([145.16.186.18]) by DERUM100.emea.corp.eds.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:25:36 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: tlp type thread-index: AckSn37BdofGxYwiQxSrhtPWEuXcfQAAEmYQ X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2008 17:25:36.0146 (UTC) FILETIME=[1237EF20:01C912A1] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id m89HQ2Pc011275 Message-ID: <8D5403E89293A448A409DDDD1531CE1801951A7F@defrm202.emea.corp.eds.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 19:25:32 +0200 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: "Mittelbach, Frank" Subject: Re: tlp type To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: A<48C6AE76.6010001@morningstar2.co.uk> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -2.599 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5263 from my perspective? no :-) Morten obviously felt differently when he did a lot of cleanup on expl3 ... since then I brought that point up but we haven't gotten around really taking it through yet (which we are doing now) there is one scenario where the NN veriant is somewhat superior to the Npn variant which is when you have nested definitions as you then need to double the # marks but even then ... I don't feel the advantage being big enough to "polute" :-) the language with alternate versions language design is horribly complicated and there are still many things that have been badly done or not yet settled within expl3. some things still need to prove themselves, etc ... and I wouldn't be too afraid to allow for some level of experimentation including taking some ideas away again as well. frank -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project [mailto:LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE] Im Auftrag von Joseph Wright Gesendet: Dienstag, 9. September 2008 19:12 An: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE Betreff: Re: AW: tlp type Mittelbach, Frank wrote: > i prefer \def:Npn over \def:NNn even for a function without arguments. I see the point here. So should \def:NNn (and \def_new:NNn) be around at all? -- Joseph Wright