Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:30:13 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m89GU8wf010273 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:30:09 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.94]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m89GQ5rx021058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:26:06 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m88M19nW015958; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:26:03 +0200 Received: by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 15.5) with spool id 28385 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:26:03 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m89GQ3Je004367 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:26:03 +0200 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m89GQ39E008951 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 18:26:07 +0200 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j5so1698516wah.18 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.206.13 with SMTP id i13mr9857478rvq.211.1220977558273; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.0.1.102? ( [219.90.231.17]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b8sm10194669rvf.4.2008.09.09.09.25.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 09 Sep 2008 09:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) References: <8D5403E89293A448A409DDDD1531CE1801951A53@defrm202.emea.corp.eds.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Spam-Whitelist: Message-ID: <344CDCA0-EF19-472B-A190-DCB85C586E83@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:55:52 +0930 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Will Robertson Subject: Re: def:NNn --- was tlp type To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE In-Reply-To: <8D5403E89293A448A409DDDD1531CE1801951A53@defrm202.emea.corp.eds.com> Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -2.599 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Sep 2008 16:30:13.0768 (UTC) FILETIME=[55ED4880:01C91299] Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5259 On 10/09/2008, at 1:34 AM, Mittelbach, Frank wrote: > my take is that the recent addition of \def:NNn and firends was > already a mistake and should be reverted. These functions provide > something which at the expl3 level isn't really needed. I'm undecided so far. I definitely see your side of the argument. But it is nice to just write "4" instead of, say, "##1##2##3##4"; less characters means more clarity, in this case. Sometimes functions that define other functions can get a bit lost in all the octothorps. On the other hand, it is only "syntactic sugar" for which we're paying (not so) precious expansions. Will