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( [129.127.15.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g31sm3404039rvb.2.2008.05.15.03.40.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 15 May 2008 03:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-612580005; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) X-Spam-Whitelist: Message-ID: <85BC623C-4952-4585-BC7E-4B3F75CA5A10@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:10:13 +0930 Reply-To: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project Sender: Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project From: Will Robertson Subject: Replacing inputenc for XeTeX/LuaTeX To: LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE Precedence: list List-Help: , List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Owner: List-Archive: X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: -2.599 () BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 213.139.130.197 Return-Path: owner-latex-l@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2008 10:47:26.0153 (UTC) FILETIME=[10578B90:01C8B679] Status: R X-Status: A X-Keywords: X-UID: 5198 --Apple-Mail-3-612580005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, With the introduction of unicode TeX variants, inputenc becomes a bit of a funny package. From what we've seen on the XeTeX mailing list, new users very commonly include it in their preamble from long years of accustomed practise in 8-bit LaTeX. And then complain when, naturally, things don't work. I think I'd like to propose a "forwards compatibility" disabling in this package that detects the presence of XeTeX or LuaTeX (or Aleph or Omega if there's any continued use of those programs) and finishes gracefully without trying to turn the UTF8 octets into active chars. The package can still serve the useful purpose of switching the input encoding of the document (in XeTeX at least). Any comments? If the LaTeX team doesn't like this idea, we could always write our own inputenc package specifically for the XeTeX branch of the TDS (i.e., tex/xelatex/inputenc.sty, which wouldn't be found by vanilla latex), but that way lies madness. 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