Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:44:56 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j2TJirNi009392 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:44:54 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.176]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2TJdCfK001808; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:39:12 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C53497.C8976C00" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.176]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.7/8.12.7/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id j2SM0g5h029065; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:36:36 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 187005 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:36:35 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.7/8.12.7/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id j2TJaXYd022894 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:36:34 +0200 Received: from smtp05.web.de (smtp05.web.de [217.72.192.209]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j2TJcMfK001622 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:38:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [212.144.143.19] by smtp05.web.de with smtp (WEB.DE 4.104 #268) id 1DGMWf-0005qi-00; Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:37:21 +0200 Return-Path: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2005 19:44:56.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[C8CE3370:01C53497] X-Sender: uwe.lueck@web.de X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang at proteosys.com X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: 0 () Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: \@reinserts, \holdinginserts Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 20:23:32 +0100 Message-ID: A<5.1.0.14.0.20050329205524.024722b0@pop3.web.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: \@reinserts, \holdinginserts Thread-Index: AcU0l8jpIzgB586CTMGlHx2cQvotoA== From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Uwe_L=FCck?= Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4845 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53497.C8976C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 1. I have solved my practical problem. I still don't know what exactly happened before -- I don't care. As a hint: It has worked since I have run \outputpenalty=3D-10004 with \holdinginserts>0 (I reported before that otherwise the \footins box isn't empty with the ensuing \outputenalty=3D-10002, in spite of \holdinginserts>0). 2. With simply switching \holdinginserts as sketched before, you create another bug (well, wait:). \@specialoutput measures the \footins box ..., so in adding floats it doesn't take account of any footnotes after \holdinginserts>0. I have made an example giving an awkward outcome -- guess: a float that better should have waited for footnotes, but one may wonder how real-life this is, I am preparing something perhaps more digestible, may be for CTAN or what someone suggests ... however, this seems to favour what Frank Mittelbach (at least some frank from latex-bugs...) expressed in latex/3370: the rewriting will be done for LaTeX3, not 2e. -- Uwe Lueck. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C53497.C8976C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: \@reinserts, \holdinginserts

1. I have solved my practical problem. I still don't = know
what exactly happened before -- I don't care. As a = hint:
It has worked since I have run = \outputpenalty=3D-10004
with \holdinginserts>0 (I reported before that = otherwise
the \footins box isn't empty with the ensuing
\outputenalty=3D-10002, in spite of = \holdinginserts>0).

2. With simply switching \holdinginserts as = sketched
before, you create another bug (well, wait:). = \@specialoutput
measures the \footins box ..., so in adding floats it = doesn't
take account of any footnotes after = \holdinginserts>0.
I have made an example giving an awkward = outcome
-- guess: a float that better should have waited for = footnotes,
but one may wonder how real-life this is, I am = preparing
something perhaps more digestible, may be for CTAN = or
what someone suggests ... however, this seems to = favour
what Frank Mittelbach (at least some frank from = latex-bugs...)
expressed in latex/3370: the rewriting will be done = for LaTeX3,
not 2e.

-- Uwe Lueck.

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