Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 16 May 2004 20:13:52 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i4GIDmlo007922 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 20:13:49 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.176]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4GI9hD6006721; Sun, 16 May 2004 20:09:44 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C43B71.8AD87000" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.176]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.7/8.12.7/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id i4E1RhOb005625; Sun, 16 May 2004 20:08:00 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8e) with spool id 210141 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 16 May 2004 20:07:59 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.7/8.12.7/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id i4GHvwUZ005538 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 19:57:58 +0200 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [199.232.76.164]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i4GHx71K027500 for ; Sun, 16 May 2004 19:59:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BPPug-0001eR-CZ for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Sun, 16 May 2004 13:59:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <16551.33482.606374.833460@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Lines: 25 References: <16549.4057.399610.750080@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> <16550.4621.526207.509473@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> <16551.33482.606374.833460@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2004 18:13:52.0144 (UTC) FILETIME=[8AEE6900:01C43B71] User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-ProteoSys-SPAM-Score: 0 () Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Why don't we do just the following: Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 18:58:41 +0100 Message-ID: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Why don't we do just the following: Thread-Index: AcQ7cYsjQYincyJWQVCCf2QRmQc9wQ== From: "David Kastrup" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4787 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C43B71.8AD87000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Mittelbach writes: > > Ok, your proposal has the disadvantage that the error occurs only = when > > referring to the label (and at the point of reference instead of > > definition). > > so does yours i think, or how was your proposal meant? It was supposed to hit at \label time. But since putting a label inside of a figure in order to get a \pageref would be legal... > > > any suggestion for a good text? > > > > \label{whatever} without preceding or enclosing \caption. > > Labels must follow the item they are referencing. > > well "whatever" is not known when we generate that text, is it? Probably not. But doesn't \label use something like \protected@edef before \write? If the label name at that time was stored in some macro, it should be possible to have it written out as part of the text. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ------_=_NextPart_001_01C43B71.8AD87000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Why don't we do just the following:

Frank Mittelbach = <frank.mittelbach@LATEX-PROJECT.ORG> writes:

>  > Ok, your proposal has the disadvantage = that the error occurs only when
>  > referring to the label (and at the = point of reference instead of
>  > definition).
>
> so does yours i think, or how was your proposal = meant?

It was supposed to hit at \label time.  But since = putting a label
inside of a figure in order to get a \pageref would = be legal...

>  > > any suggestion for a good = text?
>  >
>  > \label{whatever} without preceding or = enclosing \caption.
>  > Labels must follow the item they are = referencing.
>
> well "whatever" is not known when we = generate that text, is it?

Probably not.  But doesn't \label use something = like \protected@edef
before \write?  If the label name at that time = was stored in some
macro, it should be possible to have it written out = as part of the
text.

--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

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