Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:32:44 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h6JAWfSb007319 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:32:42 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6JAHLmt013288; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:18:45 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34DE1.16AE2E00" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h6IM06Rf023367; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:09:12 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 0605 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:09:12 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h6JA9CM9026307 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:09:12 +0200 Received: from smtp14.eresmas.com ([62.81.235.114]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6JA9Emp012680 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:09:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [192.168.108.51] (helo=mx01.in.mad.eresmas.com) by smtp14.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 19doeP-0002vS-00 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:09:13 +0200 Received: from [62.37.82.3] (helo=Ordenador-de-Javier-Bezos.local.) by mx01.in.mad.eresmas.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19doeQ-0004fr-L2 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 12:09:15 +0200 In-Reply-To: <16152.31939.541680.380770@zarniwoop.ms25.local> References: <20030710081528.A12401@diabolo.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <78ADDA01-B2DC-11D7-8AE7-0050E4455404@atlis.com> <20030711081704.A14039@diabolo.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <16146.60345.852158.31606@pussy.npc.de> <16150.44860.510973.820690@pussy.npc.de> <200307171432.h6HEWXrZ002742@bilbo.localnet> <16151.19056.880153.478641@pussy.npc.de> <200307182058.h6IKwHwi028465@bilbo.localnet> <16152.31939.541680.380770@zarniwoop.ms25.local> Return-Path: X-Mailer: GyazMail version 0.9.3 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2003 10:32:44.0431 (UTC) FILETIME=[16EFF1F0:01C34DE1] x-mime-autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id h6JA9CM9026308 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: XML vs. (La)TeX markup (was: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:08:32 +0100 Message-ID: A<20030719120832541513.GyazMail.jbezos@wanadoo.es> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: XML vs. (La)TeX markup (was: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines) Thread-Index: AcNN4RcftbIO66YNRSOMm36ycsRGoQ== From: "Javier Bezos" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4719 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34DE1.16AE2E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > The problem is that it is not easy to write documentclasses. People > use LaTeX at universities to write articles and thesises. They use > the existing standard document classes. If you want to do anything > else, you have to learn TeX's macro language. Very few people > want/have the time to do that. That's, IMO, the main reason why LaTeX > is not very popular. You have put your finger on it. I've explained LaTeX to several secretaries and they didn't find difficult the LaTeX markup at all (excluding math, mainly because they don't understand it, and tables). On the contrary, some of them even said it was easier than Word! The problem was when they said: =ABOK, it look nice but this is not exactly what I want=BB. I was working on a GUI to create document classes (using Python/Tkinter), but unfortunately for personal reasons progress is veeeeery slow. Javier _____________________________________________________________ Javier Bezos | http://www.cervantex.org Presidente de CervanTeX | presidente@cervantex.org ............................................................. TeX y tipografia | http://perso.wanadoo.es/jbezos/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34DE1.16AE2E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: XML vs. (La)TeX markup (was: XML, UTF-8 and TeX = engines)

> The problem is that it is not easy to write = documentclasses.  People
> use LaTeX at universities to write articles and = thesises.  They use
> the existing standard document classes.  If = you want to do anything
> else, you have to learn TeX's macro = language.  Very few people
> want/have the time to do that.  That's, = IMO, the main reason why LaTeX
> is not very popular.

You have put your finger on it. I've explained LaTeX = to
several secretaries and they didn't find difficult = the
LaTeX markup at all (excluding math, mainly because = they
don't understand it, and tables). On the contrary, = some
of them even said it was easier than Word! The = problem
was when they said: =ABOK, it look nice but this is = not
exactly what I want=BB.

I was working on a GUI to create document classes = (using
Python/Tkinter), but unfortunately for personal = reasons
progress is veeeeery slow.

Javier
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Javier = Bezos           &n= bsp;    | http://www.cervantex.org
Presidente de CervanTeX     | = presidente@cervantex.org
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TeX y = tipografia          &nb= sp; | http://perso.wanadoo.es/jbezos/<= /A>

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