Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:44:43 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h6INifSb006100 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:44:42 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6INbTmp027756; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:37:29 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34D86.8FCC6780" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h6IM06NP023367; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:36:21 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 0074 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:36:21 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h6INaLM9023866 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:36:21 +0200 Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6IN3ZGl000521 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:03:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [217.81.61.27] (helo=zarniwoop.ms25.local) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (WEB.DE 4.98 #244) id 19deGD-00052K-00 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:03:34 +0200 Received: from zarniwoop.ms25.local (reinhard@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zarniwoop.ms25.local (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6IN3WQC012127 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:03:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200307182058.h6IKwHwi028465@bilbo.localnet> References: <20030710081528.A12401@diabolo.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <78ADDA01-B2DC-11D7-8AE7-0050E4455404@atlis.com> <20030711081704.A14039@diabolo.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <16146.60345.852158.31606@pussy.npc.de> <16150.44860.510973.820690@pussy.npc.de> <200307171432.h6HEWXrZ002742@bilbo.localnet> <16151.19056.880153.478641@pussy.npc.de> <200307182058.h6IKwHwi028465@bilbo.localnet> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 7.00 under Emacs 20.7.2 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2003 23:44:43.0961 (UTC) FILETIME=[905F0A90:01C34D86] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -15.7 () IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_VM Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: XML vs. (La)TeX markup (was: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 00:03:31 +0100 Message-ID: A<16152.31939.541680.380770@zarniwoop.ms25.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: XML vs. (La)TeX markup (was: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines) Thread-Index: AcNNhpCdX5cthLG9SoyECjbFrDY6DA== From: "Reinhard Kotucha" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4717 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D86.8FCC6780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "Boris" =3D=3D Boris Veytsman writes: > This brings the question, which I hope is NOT off topic > here. Why is the situatoion on the job market so skewed? I > personally find TeX markup much more "natural" and easy than XML > -- why do most people think otherwise? I don't think that LaTeX markup is the problem (assuming you mean LaTeX if you say TeX). The problem is that it is not easy to write documentclasses. People use LaTeX at universities to write articles and thesises. They use the existing standard document classes. If you want to do anything else, you have to learn TeX's macro language. Very few people want/have the time to do that. That's, IMO, the main reason why LaTeX is not very popular. I suppose that LaTeX will be much more popular if .cls files could be assembled from highly configurable and exchangable packages. Ideally, no programming skill should be needed unless you have quite unusual requirements. (Easy things should be easy, difficult things should be possible). I suppose that LaTeX3 will be better in this respect. > Is there a "silver > bullet" in XML markup that helps thousands > people understand it? The main difference between TeX an XML is that TeX is good for typesetting only, while XML is much more general. Thus, there are courses at universities about XML but not about TeX. Regards, Reinhard -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Reinhard Kotucha Phone: = +49-511-27060390 Marschnerstr. 25 D-30167 Hannover = mailto:reinhard.kotucha@web.de -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- Microsoft isn't the answer. Microsoft is the question, and the answer is = NO. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D86.8FCC6780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: XML vs. (La)TeX markup (was: XML, UTF-8 and TeX = engines)

>>>>> "Boris" =3D=3D Boris = Veytsman <borisv@LK.NET> writes:

    > This brings the question, = which I hope is NOT off topic
    > here. Why is the situatoion = on the job market so skewed? I
    > personally find TeX markup = much more "natural" and easy than XML
    > -- why do most people think = otherwise?

I don't think that LaTeX markup is the problem = (assuming you mean
LaTeX if you say TeX).

The problem is that it is not easy to write = documentclasses.  People
use LaTeX at universities to write articles and = thesises.  They use
the existing standard document classes.  If you = want to do anything
else, you have to learn TeX's macro language.  = Very few people
want/have the time to do that.  That's, IMO, the = main reason why LaTeX
is not very popular.

I suppose that LaTeX will be much more popular if .cls = files could be
assembled from highly configurable and exchangable = packages.  Ideally,
no programming skill should be needed unless you have = quite unusual
requirements.  (Easy things should be easy, = difficult things should be
possible).  I suppose that LaTeX3 will be better = in this respect.

    > Is there a "silver > = bullet" in XML markup that helps thousands
    > people understand it?

The main difference between TeX an XML is that TeX is = good for
typesetting only, while XML is much more = general.  Thus, there are
courses at universities about XML but not about = TeX.

Regards,
  Reinhard

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D-30167 = Hannover           = ;            =        mailto:reinhard.kotucha@web.de
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Microsoft isn't the answer. Microsoft is the = question, and the answer is NO.
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