Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:48:38 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h6IEmZcH004571 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:48:36 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6IEecmp002036; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:40:38 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34D3B.ABF6E700" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h6HM0Dfr008378; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:39:58 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 1092 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:39:58 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h6IEdwM9018666 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:39:58 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.de [213.165.64.20]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with SMTP id h6IEeRmp001981 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:40:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (qmail 3159 invoked by uid 65534); 18 Jul 2003 14:40:25 -0000 Received: from pD90082D7.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO wilson.rwth-aachen.de) (217.0.130.215) by mail.gmx.net (mp012) with SMTP; 18 Jul 2003 16:40:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: (William F. Hammond's message of "Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:47:35 -0400") Organization: Aachen University of Technology (RWTH) References: <20030710081528.A12401@diabolo.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <16150.26432.179873.408825@pussy.npc.de> <200307171952.38152.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2003 14:48:38.0522 (UTC) FILETIME=[AC468DA0:01C34D3B] User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) Emacs/21.2 (gnu/linux) X-Accept-Language: de, en X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) x-pgp-fingerprint: CA13 274E 96EF 1DB1 4992 D7D4 D523 14FB 4752 F2EF X-Face: $:ZH*7V$(*!W]7{qQLhM-f#d(Q6#shsBz8[qPwvRr(Hy{#Y3-$C\85(LKA[4'=X]Jy\),51 DU?fMKf}G[2r)>~K8Z3dWD<'R/hRsgW>Q.Fytf-:n*FG&iWyWNMM+c)(_R.k`$zrcq5%9yt"cd)Q]c 5G_W!:/8\S4ytn&NYP,OVd_|*GjEqvk:zK(,BTXvqgj4 X-Spam-Score: -32.8 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA x-binford: 6100 (more power) x-pgp-affinity: will accept encrypted message for GPG Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:28:44 +0100 Message-ID: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines Thread-Index: AcNNO6xi2IMkTPYnSDu24hCMJAwZbg== From: "Torsten Bronger" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4712 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D3B.ABF6E700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Halloechen! William F Hammond writes: > Barbara Beeton writes: > >> timothy murphy asked, >> >> > And isn't it quite sensible to distinguish between text and = maths? >> >> and torsten bronger responded, >> >> XML doesn't do it and I find this very convenient. In (La)TeX, = for > > This statement about XML is not helpful without reference to a > particular document type. > > For example, gellmu article does provide elements called "math" and > "displaymath", which when formatted to LaTeX switch on the > corresponding math mode. Well, you cut off the citation too soon. I am talking about character treatment only, and in I write "the program -- or XML file format -- must provide a way to mark math areas, and it must apply rules or whatever to typeset accordingly." > As LaTeX is evolving it will be possible for gellmu's "alpha" (an > empty element marked up in Gellmu source as \alpha) to be formatted in > LaTeX as (math) \alpha when recursively inside a math element and not > inside either of gellmu's "mbox" or "text", while outside of math > "alpha" could easily be morphed to a suitable unicode point. So you distuguish between both cases within your Gellmu tools? Okay, we have to, I do so, too; but actually I think that this is something that the typesetter should provide. So, an \alpha in math mode should be cmmi, and in text mode is must be part of a Greek word. Tschoe, Torsten. -- Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D3B.ABF6E700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines

Halloechen!

William F Hammond <hammond@CSC.ALBANY.EDU> = writes:

> Barbara Beeton <bnb@AMS.ORG> writes:
>
>> timothy murphy asked,
>>
>>     > And isn't it = quite sensible to distinguish between text and maths?
>>
>> and torsten bronger responded,
>>
>>     XML doesn't do it = and I find this very convenient.  In (La)TeX, for
>
> This statement about XML is not helpful without = reference to a
> particular document type.
>
> For example, gellmu article does provide = elements called "math" and
> "displaymath", which when formatted to = LaTeX switch on the
> corresponding math mode.

Well, you cut off the citation too soon.  I am = talking about
character treatment only, and in
<message:m3he5k5ldo.fsf@wilson.rwth-aachen.de> = I write "the program
-- or XML file format -- must provide a way to mark = math areas, and
it must apply rules or whatever to typeset = accordingly."

> As LaTeX is evolving it will be possible for = gellmu's "alpha" (an
> empty element marked up in Gellmu source as = \alpha) to be formatted in
> LaTeX as (math) \alpha when recursively inside a = math element and not
> inside either of gellmu's "mbox" or = "text", while outside of math
> "alpha" could easily be morphed to a = suitable unicode point.

So you distuguish between both cases within your = Gellmu tools?
Okay, we have to, I do so, too; but actually I think = that this is
something that the typesetter should provide.  = So, an \alpha in math
mode should be cmmi, and in text mode is must be part = of a Greek
word.

Tschoe,
Torsten.

--
Torsten Bronger, aquisgrana, europa vetus

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