Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:46:01 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h6IBjwcH003871 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:45:59 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6IBeOGl010171; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:40:25 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34D22.29156280" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h6HM0DcV008378; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:39:49 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 0898 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:39:49 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h6IBdnM9016390 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:39:49 +0200 Received: from mutant.triumf.ca (mutant.Triumf.CA [142.90.112.22]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6IBeGmp006583 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 13:40:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from asnd@localhost) by mutant.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA15638; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 04:50:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: Frank Mittelbach's message of "Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:48:34 +0200" Lines: 18 Organization: TRIUMF: Canada's national meson facility References: <20030710081528.A12401@diabolo.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> <16150.26432.179873.408825@pussy.npc.de> <200307171952.38152.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <16151.45086.191107.970370@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> <16151.53378.686801.544079@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2003 11:46:03.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A4752D0:01C34D22] User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 X-Authentication-Warning: mutant.triumf.ca: asnd set sender to asnd@triumf.ca using -f X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -33.8 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA,X_AUTH_WARNING Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:50:35 +0100 Message-ID: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines Thread-Index: AcNNIips0KPqD/MfS/Gy1EGFlsK/4w== From: "Donald Arseneau" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4709 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D22.29156280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Mittelbach writes: > Torsten Bronger writes: > no that would be wrong, \relax generates a mathord and this is = precisely > why you can't define commands in TeX to go > > \relax\iffmode... Huh? \relax doesn't generate a mathord (you are jumping to {} I think) > as this messes up spacing. It does mess up spacing in TEXT mode, by interfering with ligatures and kerning. (as you well know.) Donald Arseneau asnd@triumf.ca ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D22.29156280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines

Frank Mittelbach = <frank.mittelbach@LATEX-PROJECT.ORG> writes:

> Torsten Bronger writes:
> no that would be wrong, \relax generates a = mathord and this is precisely
> why you can't define commands in TeX to = go
>
>  \relax\iffmode...

Huh?  \relax doesn't generate a mathord (you are = jumping to {} I think)

> as this messes up spacing.

It does mess up spacing in TEXT mode, by interfering = with ligatures
and kerning.

(as you well know.)

Donald = Arseneau           = ;            =    asnd@triumf.ca

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