Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([213.139.130.197]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:35:39 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h6IAZVcH003603 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:35:37 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6IAR4Gl027529; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:27:04 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34D18.54934F80" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h6HM0DYL008378; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:25:43 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 0705 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:25:43 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h6IAPhM9015030 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:25:43 +0200 Received: from william.murphy.ie (c104-141.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.104.141]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6IAQ8mp026474 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 12:26:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from william.murphy.ie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by william.murphy.ie (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h6IAQ2vi002505; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:26:07 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by william.murphy.ie (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h6IAPu9w002502; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:25:56 +0100 In-Reply-To: Organization: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin References: <20030710081528.A12401@diabolo.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2003 10:35:39.0094 (UTC) FILETIME=[54A1A760:01C34D18] User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 x-mime-autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id h6IAPhM9015031 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -32.2 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_KMAIL Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:25:55 +0100 Message-ID: A<200307181125.55806.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines Thread-Index: AcNNGFTDpPy2z1Z9Q7OoOWT6fWMBaA== From: "Timothy Murphy" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4705 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D18.54934F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday 18 July 2003 08:45, Torsten Bronger wrote: > My dream is to just insert the UTF-8 sequence of 0x107 and it > works. Of course, the "cacute" doesn't make sense in math mode, and > therefore LaTeX doesn't support such things, however I cannot tell > XML authors which characters they are allowed to type. Even the > standard latin1 inputenc option isn't math-proof. I don't know much about XML, but this seems to me completely contrary to its philosophy. Surely XML markup is _meant_ to reflect the meaning of the content rather than just what you want printed. I would have thought TeX was much better suited to your needs in this = case. As I see it, Knuth put common-sense above theoretical exactitude, while XML takes the opposite point of view. as MathML illustrates. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-233 6090 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34D18.54934F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: XML, UTF-8 and TeX engines

On Friday 18 July 2003 08:45, Torsten Bronger = wrote:

> My dream is to just insert the UTF-8 sequence of = 0x107 and it
> works.  Of course, the "cacute" = doesn't make sense in math mode, and
> therefore LaTeX doesn't support such things, = however I cannot tell
> XML authors which characters they are allowed to = type.  Even the
> standard latin1 inputenc option isn't = math-proof.

I don't know much about XML,
but this seems to me completely contrary to its = philosophy.
Surely XML markup is _meant_ to reflect the meaning = of the content
rather than just what you want printed.

I would have thought TeX was much better suited to = your needs in this case.

As I see it, Knuth put common-sense above theoretical = exactitude,
while XML takes the opposite point of view. as MathML = illustrates.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, = Dublin 2, Ireland

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