Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:22 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h68FsKPP016107 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:54:21 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h68FhoGl029442; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:43:50 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34569.32A40B00" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h681c0an029100; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:43:45 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 1090 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:43:45 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h68FhjM9005019 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:43:45 +0200 Received: from stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com [130.76.96.56]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h68Fhgmp015032 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 17:43:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from stl-av-01.boeing.com ([192.76.190.6]) by stl-smtpout-01.boeing.com (8.9.2/8.8.5-M2) with ESMTP id KAA11369 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:43:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from blv-hub-01.boeing.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stl-av-01.boeing.com (8.9.3p2/8.9.2/MBS-AV-02) with ESMTP id KAA28278 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:43:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com (xch-nwbh-01.nw.nos.boeing.com [192.33.62.231]) by blv-hub-01.boeing.com (8.11.3/8.11.3/MBS-LDAP-01) with ESMTP id h68FhZv28004 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from XCH-NW-28.nw.nos.boeing.com ([192.48.4.102]) by XCH-NWBH-01.nw.nos.boeing.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6662); Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:43:34 -0700 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Return-Path: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2003 15:43:34.0421 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0A75450:01C34567] x-mime-autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id h68FhjM9005020 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: 0 () Subject: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 16:43:34 +0100 Message-ID: A<3BFEACE361F5BF429DD1DA593E3A7C0922406A@xch-nw-28.nw.nos.boeing.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Thread-Index: AcNCR1qRYInOCa5qQJejWyJt7PDM3ADHhBJQ From: "Wilson, Peter R" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4661 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34569.32A40B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Hensel [mailto:mail@MARTINHENSEL.DE] > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:14 AM > To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de > Subject: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a > LaTeX3 syntax > > > Finally, here it is: > > http://www.MartinHensel.de/LaTeX3/syntax.pdf > > Martin > I read your proposal with interest. It seems that although you have problems with the way TeX handles = spaces your proposed solution is to leave that as it is (i.e., your = C-1). Your other major concern appears to be "the number of arguments of = \command{} [also environments] is unknown (the last {...} may well be = normal text)." However, I fail to see how your proposal addresses that. = Using named_arg=3Dvalue still requires an author to know about the = arguments, what they do, and which are required. Additionally, authors = will also have to remember the names of the arguments. I feel that you = are merely introducing unnecessary overhead with no gain. I also take issue with your basic premise that authors are put off = by (La)TeX syntax, and by implication having to learn commands and their = arguments. Some no doubt would find a GUI easier but that is an old = chestnut that doesn't need any more verbiage spilled about it. Peter W. Dr Peter R. Wilson Boeing Commercial Airplanes PO Box 3707, MS 2R-97, Seattle, WA 98124-2207 Tel: (206) 544-0589, Fax: (206) 544-5889 Email: peter.r.wilson@boeing.com -------------------------------- Any opinions expressed above are personal; they shall not be construed as representative of any organisation. -------------------------------- ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34569.32A40B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 = syntax

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Hensel [mailto:mail@MARTINHENSEL.DE]
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 9:14 AM
> To: LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de
> Subject: Re: Invitation for discussion: My = suggestion for a
> LaTeX3 syntax
>
>
> Finally, here it is:
>
> http://www.MartinHe= nsel.de/LaTeX3/syntax.pdf
>
> Martin
>

    I read your proposal with = interest.

    It seems that although you have = problems with the way TeX handles spaces your proposed solution is to = leave that as it is (i.e., your C-1).

    Your other major concern appears to = be "the number of arguments of \command{} [also environments] is = unknown (the last {...} may well be normal text)." However, I fail = to see how your proposal addresses that. Using named_arg=3Dvalue still = requires an author to know about the arguments, what they do, and which = are required. Additionally, authors will also have to remember the names = of the arguments. I feel that you are merely introducing = unnecessary  overhead with no gain.

    I also take issue with your basic = premise that authors are put off by (La)TeX syntax, and by implication = having to learn commands and their arguments. Some no doubt would find a = GUI easier but that is an old chestnut that doesn't need any more = verbiage spilled about it.

Peter W.

Dr Peter R. Wilson
Boeing Commercial Airplanes
PO Box 3707, MS 2R-97, Seattle, WA 98124-2207
Tel: (206) 544-0589, Fax: (206) 544-5889
Email: peter.r.wilson@boeing.com
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Any opinions expressed above are personal;
they shall not be construed as representative of any = organisation.
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