Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:27:03 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h688QxPP013924 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:27:01 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h688KXGl015294; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:20:33 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3452A.B559A580" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h681c0Ph029100; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:20:25 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 0479 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:20:21 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h688KLM9032149 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:20:21 +0200 Received: from mail.npc.de (fw.npc.de [62.225.140.214]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h688KKmp003146 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:20:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by mail.npc.de (Postfix, from userid 1014) id C19041530; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 10:20:20 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <3F09CB24.7195F5E7@MartinHensel.de> References: <3F075002.72955C93@MartinHensel.de> <16137.32354.704318.984160@pussy.npc.de> <3F099244.1434BFF3@MartinHensel.de> <16137.43868.184267.445549@pussy.npc.de> <3F09CB24.7195F5E7@MartinHensel.de> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 7.04 under 21.4 (patch 8) "Honest Recruiter" XEmacs Lucid X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2003 08:27:04.0510 (UTC) FILETIME=[B6400DE0:01C3452A] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 09:20:20 +0100 Message-ID: A<16138.32452.580900.498691@pussy.npc.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Thread-Index: AcNFKrZec/XnOYtTRuaBWSiqWryojA== From: "Joachim Schrod" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4656 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3452A.B559A580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "MH" =3D=3D Martin Hensel writes: MH> Why is my proposal unworthy to be looked at just because I don't MH> know TeX? [...] Please tell me what exactly is not implementable MH> and help me to improve my proposal. This is a deeply technical mailing list about leading edge implementations of future LaTeX packages. Many people on this list don't want to spent their time explaining a novice the very basics of LaTeX. In particular, you have got already several clues why your proposal is not implementable and obviously didn't read or didn't unterstand them. That's why I said already twice (and now say it the third and last time): There are other, better, forums for your proposal than this mailing list. You're not unwelcome, you simply chose the wrong place. Go to one of the user's mailing lists or newsgroups. Maybe you want to use a German one so that you can use your native language. Come to a DANTE meeting and make a presentation there. You're welcome; but this is simply not the right place. >> That brings me to the real issue: Do you actually know that most of >> TeX's white space handling happens before tokenization, i.e., >> before the programming starts at all? MH> No. >> You do know the basic principles of the TeX macro proces, do you? MH> No. I am completely unfamiliar with TeX. MH> [...] Why do so many people tell me that I am stupid and unworthy MH> to listen to? Please note that I did not say not that you're stupid. In fact, until now I didn't say anything about your mental state. But if you really want it, voila: You're not stupid. Seriously. Instead you are ignorant and unwilling to learn. Just my honest opinion, sorry. Turn these "no" above into "yes" and come back afterwards. Joachim -- =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany ``How do we persuade new users that spreading fonts across the = page like peanut butter across hot toast is not necessarily the route = to typographic excellence?'' -- Peter Flynn ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3452A.B559A580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 = syntax

>>>>> "MH" =3D=3D Martin = Hensel <mail@MARTINHENSEL.DE> writes:

MH> Why is my proposal unworthy to be looked at = just because I don't
MH> know TeX? [...] Please tell me what exactly is = not implementable
MH> and help me to improve my proposal.

This is a deeply technical mailing list about leading = edge
implementations of future LaTeX packages. Many people = on this list
don't want to spent their time explaining a novice = the very basics of
LaTeX. In particular, you have got already several = clues why your
proposal is not implementable and obviously didn't = read or didn't
unterstand them.

That's why I said already twice (and now say it the = third and last
time): There are other, better, forums for your = proposal than this
mailing list. You're not unwelcome, you simply chose = the wrong place.
Go to one of the user's mailing lists or newsgroups. = Maybe you want to
use a German one so that you can use your native = language. Come to a
DANTE meeting and make a presentation there. You're = welcome; but this
is simply not the right place.


>> That brings me to the real issue: Do you = actually know that most of
>> TeX's white space handling happens before = tokenization, i.e.,
>> before the programming starts at all?

MH> No.

>> You do know the basic principles of the TeX = macro proces, do you?

MH> No. I am completely unfamiliar with TeX.

MH> [...] Why do so many people tell me that I am = stupid and unworthy
MH> to listen to?

Please note that I did not say not that you're stupid. = In fact, until
now I didn't say anything about your mental state. = But if you really
want it, voila: You're not stupid. Seriously. Instead = you are ignorant
and unwilling to learn. Just my honest opinion, = sorry. Turn these "no"
above into "yes" and come back = afterwards.

        = Joachim

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Joachim = Schrod           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;          Email: = jschrod@acm.org
Roedermark, Germany

        ``How do we = persuade new users that spreading fonts across the page
        like = peanut butter across hot toast is not necessarily the route to
        = typographic = excellence?''          =              = -- Peter Flynn

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