Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:30:11 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h682U9PP013113 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:30:09 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h682PBmp023678; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:25:12 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C344F8.DACDBB80" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h681c0MX029100; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:25:09 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 0259 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:25:09 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h682P9M9029377 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:25:09 +0200 Received: from A1.atlis.com (host5.atlis.com [216.181.97.5]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h682P7Gl001800 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 2003 04:25:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (host-216-153-178-55.har.choiceone.net [216.153.178.55]) by A1.atlis.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h682Q2306563 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 22:26:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wadams@atlis.com) In-Reply-To: <3F09CB24.7195F5E7@MartinHensel.de> Organization: Atlis Systems, Inc. (301) 578-4200 info@atlis.com Return-Path: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jul 2003 02:30:11.0792 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB469500:01C344F8] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -6.6 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 03:24:49 +0100 Message-ID: A<5974B6F0-B0EB-11D7-AA60-0050E4455404@atlis.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Thread-Index: AcNE+Ntr+xUZQ4gHR0iR7xfkpbghXA== From: "William Adams" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4655 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C344F8.DACDBB80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Martin said: > Why should it be impossible to discuss my proposal? A designer should > be able to discuss his ideas with a manual worker or an engineer. > If a designer thinks of a car that is impossible to build then it is > no good if the engineer says, he does not talk with the designer > unless the designer became an engineer himself. They could discuss > what is possible and what not. They could look for alternatives that > satisfy both of them. They could learn from each other. Fair enough, but would you, if you were an engineer want to listen to ideas for a car from a designer who didn't know how to drive? > Why couldn't we discuss my proposal? Why is my proposal unworthy to be > looked at just because I don't know TeX? Why do so many people tell me > that I am stupid and unworthy to listen to? Because people have found it necessary to educate you first instead. Ditto. No one said you were stupid, ignorant and ill-considered perhaps, but those are things which can be fixed by a little research on your part, and some forethought. > I hoped we could start a discussion. Please tell me what exactly is > not implementable and help me to improve my proposal. Have you even read Michael Doob's _A Gentle Introduction to TeX_? Until you understand the intricacies mandated by intermixing text as commands w/ text as text there's simply not enough common ground for a meaningful discussion. I'm also curious as to why your idea for a syntax is superiour for beginners than their merely using something like LyX, . William -- William Adams, publishing specialist voice - 717-731-6707 | Fax - 717-731-6708 www.atlis.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C344F8.DACDBB80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 = syntax

Martin said:
> Why should it be impossible to discuss my = proposal? A designer should
> be able to discuss his ideas with a manual = worker or an engineer.
> If a designer thinks of a car that is impossible = to build then it is
> no good if the engineer says, he does not talk = with the designer
> unless the designer became an engineer himself. = They could discuss
> what is possible and what not. They could look = for alternatives that
> satisfy both of them. They could learn from each = other.

Fair enough, but would you, if you were an engineer = want to listen to
ideas for a car from a designer who didn't know how = to drive?

> Why couldn't we discuss my proposal? Why is my = proposal unworthy to be
> looked at just because I don't know TeX? Why do = so many people tell me
> that I am stupid and unworthy to listen = to?

Because people have found it necessary to educate you = first instead.
Ditto. No one said you were stupid, ignorant and = ill-considered
perhaps, but those are things which can be fixed by a = little research
on your part, and some forethought.

> I hoped we could start a discussion. Please tell = me what exactly is
> not implementable and help me to improve my = proposal.

Have you even read Michael Doob's _A Gentle = Introduction to TeX_?

Until you understand the intricacies mandated by = intermixing text as
commands w/ text as text there's simply not enough = common ground for
a meaningful discussion.

I'm also curious as to why your idea for a syntax is = superiour for
beginners than their merely using something like LyX, = <www.lyx.org>.

William

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