Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:15:50 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h67GFlPP011251 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:15:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C344A3.07EF7F00" Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h67G8jGl026186; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:08:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h677rPcB016396; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:08:41 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 1600 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:08:40 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h67G8eM9024450 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:08:40 +0200 Received: from wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk (mta1.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.0.15]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h67G8dGl026177 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:08:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pallas.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.8.88] helo=cl.cam.ac.uk ident=[/riKUWF5Ajw5pIE1r6a/Tq6FcSInIf8O]) by wisbech.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.092 #1) id 19ZYXe-0003kp-00 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:08:38 +0100 In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 07 Jul 2003 13:06:31 +0200. <20030707130631.C8845@diabolo.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2003 16:15:50.0299 (UTC) FILETIME=[081D1EB0:01C344A3] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:08:38 +0100 Message-ID: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Thread-Index: AcNEowg1edH8IJ0zQ9uvFarQTWxA7Q== From: "Robin Fairbairns" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4651 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C344A3.07EF7F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable achim blumensath wrote: > On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:47:02PM +0100, Robin Fairbairns wrote: > > the fact is, that many people complain about the restrictions that = tex > > places on our programming, but no-one is willing to throw out the > > basis of the "programming model" of tex -- rebuilding tex from = scratch > > is just too much of a job. > > I do not know whether I count for "someone" but I'm currently doing > precisely this (see ant on my home page). On the other hand, I'm not > exactly rebuilding TeX since I do not aim for 100% compatibility. it's never occurred to me that you're other than "someone" ;-) if i had misunderstood, please correct me, but i thought ant was _not_ intended as a root-and-branch replacement of tex, but merely to provide an alternative rapid-prototyping approach to nts. (and, i thought, hopefully without the encumbrances under which nts labours.) of course, i expressed myself badly: the "programming model" i was talking of was not "let's replace this web/pascal stuff", but rather "let's find an alternative way of expressing tex operations that gains desirable things, but doesn't lose us tex's extraordinary power". an example of these "desirable things" could well be space preservation. it's not something that turns me on, particularly, but i can see the user interface arguments for it. robin ------_=_NextPart_001_01C344A3.07EF7F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 = syntax

achim blumensath wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 05, 2003 at 11:47:02PM +0100, Robin = Fairbairns wrote:
> > the fact is, that many people complain = about the restrictions that tex
> > places on our programming, but no-one is = willing to throw out the
> > basis of the "programming model" = of tex -- rebuilding tex from scratch
> > is just too much of a job.
>
> I do not know whether I count for = "someone" but I'm currently doing
> precisely this (see ant on my home page). On the = other hand, I'm not
> exactly rebuilding TeX since I do not aim for = 100% compatibility.

it's never occurred to me that you're other than = "someone" ;-)

if i had misunderstood, please correct me, but i = thought ant was _not_
intended as a root-and-branch replacement of tex, but = merely to
provide an alternative rapid-prototyping approach to = nts.  (and, i
thought, hopefully without the encumbrances under = which nts labours.)

of course, i expressed myself badly: the = "programming model" i was
talking of was not "let's replace this = web/pascal stuff", but rather
"let's find an alternative way of expressing tex = operations that gains
desirable things, but doesn't lose us tex's = extraordinary power".

an example of these "desirable things" could = well be space
preservation.  it's not something that turns me = on, particularly, but
i can see the user interface arguments for it.

robin

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