Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:57:49 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h67FvkPP011172 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:57:47 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h67FopGl023296; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:50:51 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C344A0.839BFC80" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h677rPZL016396; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:50:48 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 1471 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:50:48 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h67Fo1M9023769 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:50:01 +0200 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h67Fo0Gl023146 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:50:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ZYFb-0004It-00 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:49:59 +0200 Received: from [212.159.41.120] (helo=MartinHensel.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19ZYFa-0007D6-00 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 07 Jul 2003 17:49:59 +0200 References: Return-Path: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [de] (Win98; U) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2003 15:57:49.0388 (UTC) FILETIME=[83D730C0:01C344A0] X-Accept-Language: de,en X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -10.1 () QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:48:34 +0100 Message-ID: A<3F099652.8FD2E4A9@MartinHensel.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Thread-Index: AcNEoIP0LqFmOL2GQMCOqrUvcFrH2Q== From: "Martin Hensel" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4649 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C344A0.839BFC80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > david is right: to make assertions about the way the user interface > "will be", you need to know whether your proposal is actually > practicable. if any part of your proposal is not practicable, > there's a danger that everything you suggest will be ignored, > however good _some_ parts of it are. > > the fact is, that many people complain about the restrictions that > tex places on our programming, but no-one is willing to throw out > the basis of the "programming model" of tex -- rebuilding tex from > scratch is just too much of a job. > > :-( In the thread about the user interface in de.comp.text.tex Frank Mittelbach wrote several times that LaTeX3 is able to separate the different levels of the application. In particular he spoke about a completely independent user interface layer that enables LaTeX3 to support several different interfaces. In fact, Frank states that it would not be much effort to change the existing LaTeX3 code to adapt it to an improved user interface. http://groups.google.de/groups?selm=3Daso61v%24i59%241%40news.online.de I don't understand how that fits together with your statements that one would have to change TeX fundamentally in order to be able to have another interface. Martin ------_=_NextPart_001_01C344A0.839BFC80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 = syntax

> david is right: to make assertions about the way = the user interface
> "will be", you need to know whether = your proposal is actually
> practicable.  if any part of your proposal = is not practicable,
> there's a danger that everything you suggest = will be ignored,
> however good _some_ parts of it are.
>
> the fact is, that many people complain about the = restrictions that
> tex places on our programming, but no-one is = willing to throw out
> the basis of the "programming model" = of tex -- rebuilding tex from
> scratch is just too much of a job.
>
> :-(

In the thread about the user interface in = de.comp.text.tex Frank
Mittelbach wrote several times that LaTeX3 is able to = separate the
different levels of the application. In particular he = spoke about a
completely independent user interface layer that = enables LaTeX3 to
support several different interfaces.

In fact, Frank states that it would not be much effort = to change the
existing LaTeX3 code to adapt it to an improved user = interface.
http://groups.google.de/groups?selm=3Daso61v%24i59%241%40news.onl= ine.de

I don't understand how that fits together with your = statements that
one would have to change TeX fundamentally in order = to be able to have
another interface.

Martin

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