Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:13:50 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.9/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h67EDkPP010894 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:13:48 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h67E6Ymp001489; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:06:34 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34491.FCE02300" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h677rPWx016396; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:06:31 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 1351 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:06:31 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h67E6VM9022007 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:06:31 +0200 Received: from mail.npc.de (fw.npc.de [62.225.140.214]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h67E6Smp001453 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:06:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by mail.npc.de (Postfix, from userid 1014) id 0232F152A; Mon, 7 Jul 2003 16:06:26 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: References: <3F075002.72955C93@MartinHensel.de> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 7.04 under 21.4 (patch 8) "Honest Recruiter" XEmacs Lucid X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2003 14:13:51.0731 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDE84430:01C34491] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:06:26 +0100 Message-ID: A<16137.32354.704318.984160@pussy.npc.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 syntax Thread-Index: AcNEkf46F0e9MVfuTe2TD0+8lOIP9Q== From: "Joachim Schrod" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4647 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34491.FCE02300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> "RF" =3D=3D Robin Fairbairns = writes: RF> david is right: to make assertions about the way the user RF> interface "will be", you need to know whether your proposal is RF> actually practicable. if any part of your proposal is not RF> practicable, there's a danger that everything you suggest will be RF> ignored, however good _some_ parts of it are. To back this up with empirical data: I read until the two paragraphs below "The Space Problem" -- and then immediately stopped reading. These paragraphs made quite clear that the author didn't know a thing about TeX constraints (and is erroneous about space handling in HTML and XML as well). Obviously somebody who is new to technical details of existing markup languages. So the probability to find something worthwile in the rest of the text was not high enough to spend the time reading further. If Robin wouldn't have answered, I wouldn't have read any more of this thread as well. Martin, you might want to publish your document on tex-d-l, de.comp.text.tex or comp.text.tex. There you will get better feedback from potential users, and also from people who know TeX programming since many years and who might explain to you which parts of your proposals are reasonable and which aren't. Cheers, Joachim -- =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D= -=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D Joachim Schrod Email: jschrod@acm.org Roedermark, Germany ``How do we persuade new users that spreading fonts across the = page like peanut butter across hot toast is not necessarily the route = to typographic excellence?'' -- Peter Flynn ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34491.FCE02300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Invitation for discussion: My suggestion for a LaTeX3 = syntax

>>>>> "RF" =3D=3D Robin = Fairbairns <Robin.Fairbairns@CL.CAM.AC.UK> writes:

RF> david is right: to make assertions about the = way the user
RF> interface "will be", you need to = know whether your proposal is
RF> actually practicable. if any part of your = proposal is not
RF> practicable, there's a danger that everything = you suggest will be
RF> ignored, however good _some_ parts of it = are.

To back this up with empirical data: I read until the = two paragraphs
below "The Space Problem" -- and then = immediately stopped reading.
These paragraphs made quite clear that the author = didn't know a thing
about TeX constraints (and is erroneous about space = handling in HTML
and XML as well). Obviously somebody who is new to = technical details
of existing markup languages.

So the probability to find something worthwile in the = rest of the text
was not high enough to spend the time reading = further. If Robin
wouldn't have answered, I wouldn't have read any more = of this thread
as well.

Martin, you might want to publish your document on = tex-d-l,
de.comp.text.tex or comp.text.tex. There you will get = better feedback
from potential users, and also from people who know = TeX programming
since many years and who might explain to you which = parts of your
proposals are reasonable and which aren't.

Cheers,
        = Joachim

--
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Joachim = Schrod           &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;          Email: = jschrod@acm.org
Roedermark, Germany

        ``How do we = persuade new users that spreading fonts across the page
        like = peanut butter across hot toast is not necessarily the route to
        = typographic = excellence?''          =              = -- Peter Flynn

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