Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:29:21 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h1IGTJ6C003016 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:29:20 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h1IGLFXM011785; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:21:15 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2D76A.E3E90680" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h1I62HYv027667; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:12:05 +0100 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 7101 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:12:05 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h1IGC5PR031212 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:12:05 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h1IGKPtt023041 for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:20:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from [212.227.126.161] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18lATo-00034s-00 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:20:24 +0100 Received: from [80.129.6.120] (helo=istrati.mittelbach-online.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 18lATn-0006Pk-00 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:20:24 +0100 Received: (from frank@localhost) by istrati.mittelbach-online.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id h1IGHLd14181; Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:17:21 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under Emacs 20.7.1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2003 16:29:22.0125 (UTC) FILETIME=[E494AFD0:01C2D76A] X-Authentication-Warning: istrati.mittelbach-online.de: frank set sender to frank@mittelbach-online.de using -f X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -2 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,X_AUTH_WARNING Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: [LATEX3] xor: patches for use with current classes Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:17:20 +0100 Message-ID: A<15954.23696.956910.503572@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: [LATEX3] xor: patches for use with current classes Thread-Index: AcLXauSw0CL4ZNBtToSUustGq0yKHw== From: "Frank Mittelbach" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4551 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D76A.E3E90680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Kastrup writes: > It's not easy to find out just what packages are supposed to be > provided for what, and which are superseded (like stuff in xo-new > supposedly replacing xo-final). Hard to say what to fix where if one > does not even know what is supposed to be loaded! ???? i find that difficult to believe. granted that the code is perhaps = not in the best possible state is is not as bad as you make it out (imho) xoutput -- main driver package clearly shows the order of packages xo-new -- experimental overwrites it says at the top: % % This package is available for test overwrites that need integration % into the main packages at some point % in addition there is xo-grid.sty which is really an overwrite for some = latex macros to add grid support, so if you like is an application of = xoutput.sty ------------------ i'm not putting my hands in the fire that something like xo-final does = not contain any overwrites to the more core parts but it is unlikely. if you want to know whom to blame, there are revision infos at the = bottom of each file (i hide behind the latex3 account) > Any chance for improving pointers on that? Just so that others might > be able to know just what is worth working on and what is really dead > beef? does the above help? basically xo-new is experimental^2 and needs checking and then integration = everything else should be selfcontained frank ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2D76A.E3E90680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [LATEX3] xor: patches for use with current = classes

David Kastrup writes:

 > It's not easy to find out just what = packages are supposed to be
 > provided for what, and which are = superseded (like stuff in xo-new
 > supposedly replacing xo-final).  Hard = to say what to fix where if one
 > does not even know what is supposed to be = loaded!

???? i find that difficult to believe. granted that = the code is perhaps not in
the best possible state is is not as bad as you make = it out (imho)

   xoutput -- main driver package

clearly shows the order of packages

   xo-new  -- experimental = overwrites

it says at the top:

%
% This package is available for test overwrites that = need integration
% into the main packages at some point
%

in addition there is xo-grid.sty which is really an = overwrite for some latex
macros to add grid support, so if you like is an = application of xoutput.sty

------------------


i'm not putting my hands in the fire that something = like xo-final does not
contain any overwrites to the more core parts but it = is unlikely.

if you want to know whom to blame, there are revision = infos at the bottom of
each file (i hide behind the latex3 account)

 > Any chance for improving pointers on = that?  Just so that others might
 > be able to know just what is worth working = on and what is really dead
 > beef?

does the above help? basically

 xo-new is experimental^2 and needs checking and = then integration everything
 else should be selfcontained

frank

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