Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:44:44 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h113if6D011443 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:44:43 +0100 Received: from exfront2.zdv.uni-mainz.de (exfront2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.76]) by mailgate3.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h113ifS0002388 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:44:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from spamgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE ([134.93.8.232]) by exfront2.zdv.uni-mainz.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:42:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2C9A4.42109E00" Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.57]) by spamgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h113gcJw013799 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:42:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from tug.org (tug.org [130.225.2.178]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h113gcNG000619 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:42:38 +0100 (MET) Received: from tug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by tug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h113D6x23533; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:13:06 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from ams.org (sun06.ams.org [130.44.1.6]) by tug.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h113Cbx23515 for ; Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:12:37 +0100 Received: from mutant.triumf.ca (mutant.Triumf.CA [142.90.112.22]) by ams.org (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h113CVk2012699 for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 22:12:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from asnd@localhost) by mutant.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA03346; Fri, 31 Jan 2003 19:13:58 -0800 In-Reply-To: Roozbeh Pournader's message of "Fri, 31 Jan 2003 18:41:26 +0330(IRT)" Lines: 26 Organization: TRIUMF: Canada's national meson facility References: Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2003 03:42:44.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[FADBB470:01C2C9A3] List-Id: List-Post: Errors-To: tex-implementors-bounces@tug.org X-BeenThere: tex-implementors@tug.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1 List-Archive: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) X-Authentication-Warning: mutant.triumf.ca: asnd set sender to asnd@triumf.causing -f X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 1.0 (http://www.roaringpenguin.com/mimedefang/) X-Spam-Score: -4.8 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA,X_AUTH_WARNING X-Spam-Report: CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA,X_AUTH_WARNING Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: [tex-implementors] Re: messages from dek re tex 2002 Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:13:58 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [tex-implementors] Re: messages from dek re tex 2002 Thread-Index: AcLJpEKuKDNF7N8kQXCcW36l285B2g== List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , From: "Donald Arseneau" To: "Roozbeh Pournader" Cc: Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4519 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C9A4.42109E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roozbeh Pournader writes: > U+2018 and U+2019 so there was no need to abuse the ASCII 0x60 which = has > *always* been called "GRAVE ACCENT" in ISO 646 (a.k.a. ASCII). Thank you for straightening my history about priority, but it was not "always"; at least not "always and everywhere". In=20 North America it was the reverse apostrophe for many years,=20 from the 1960s to about 1990; officially, not just in common practice. =20 But the priority goes to "grave accent"! It was in 1963=20 that 5 diacritical marks were added to the ISO standard: L. L. Griffin, report of ISO TC 97/SC 2 meeting, October 29-31, = 1963,=20 NMAH 310, box 4.=20 (not so clear. Actually, the matter was decided in May 1963: http://www.transbay.net/~enf/ascii-scans/ccit.html I don't see the word "grave" but it is clearly listed as "diacritical") It wasn't until 1965 that the USA changed the definition in their national variant ("ASCII") to be an opening single quotation mark: Proposed Revised American Standard Code for Information Interchange, = CACM, vol. 8, no. 4, April, 1965, pp. 207-214.=20 Donald Arseneau asnd@triumf.ca _______________________________________________ tex-implementors mailing list postmaster@tug.org http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-implementors ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C9A4.42109E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [tex-implementors] Re: messages from dek re tex 2002

Roozbeh Pournader <roozbeh@sharif.edu> = writes:

> U+2018 and U+2019 so there was no need to abuse = the ASCII 0x60 which has
> *always* been called "GRAVE ACCENT" in = ISO 646 (a.k.a. ASCII).


Thank you for straightening my history about priority, = but it
was not "always"; at least not "always = and everywhere".  In
North America it was the reverse apostrophe for many = years,
from the 1960s to about 1990; officially, not just in = common
practice. 

But the priority goes to "grave = accent"!  It was in 1963
that 5 diacritical marks were added to the ISO = standard:
    L. L. Griffin, report of ISO TC = 97/SC 2 meeting, October 29-31, 1963,
    NMAH 310, box 4.
(not so clear.  Actually, the matter was decided = in May 1963:
    http://www.tr= ansbay.net/~enf/ascii-scans/ccit.html
I don't see the word "grave" but it is = clearly listed as "diacritical")

It wasn't until 1965 that the USA changed the = definition in their
national variant ("ASCII") to be an opening = single quotation mark:
    Proposed Revised American Standard = Code for Information Interchange,
    CACM, vol. 8, no. 4, April, 1965, = pp. 207-214.

Donald = Arseneau           = ;            =    asnd@triumf.ca
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