Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:25:33 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0OEPU6C017131 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:25:31 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0OED6tt003021; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:13:06 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2C3B4.74266C80" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h0O3PCGJ014696; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:05:28 +0100 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 8632 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:05:28 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h0OE5S5f019399 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:05:28 +0100 Received: from birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (c105-92.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.105.92]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0OECett002911 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:12:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0OECcOZ001853 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:12:38 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0OECbHw001851 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:12:37 GMT In-Reply-To: Organization: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin References: <15915.60496.798501.907773@lin2.idris.fr> <200301232349.20628.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jan 2003 14:25:33.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[745F56D0:01C2C3B4] User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 x-mime-autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id h0OE5S5f019400 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -6.8 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LICR objects in math Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:12:36 +0100 Message-ID: A<200301241412.36829.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: LICR objects in math Thread-Index: AcLDtHR6Q3meQ24eSMGeAsZJVzNnZw== From: "Timothy Murphy" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4489 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C3B4.74266C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Friday 24 January 2003 00:28, David Kastrup wrote: > If you take a look at printed mathematics in journals, you'll find > things like display equations spanning two of three columns. I have just taken a look at some mathematical journals, and none of them seemed to do anything like that. They are all in fact excessively conservative (even by my standards), particularly the German ones. Which journal are you referring to? > I am just wondering why you are subscribed to this > list when your opinion is that LaTeX should not be improved. You are being disingenuous. I am all in favour of improving LaTeX, given that I think it is already pretty good, due to the work of the LaTeX team over the years. But what you are talking about is tinkering with the TeX engine on which LaTeX runs. I wouldn't even object to that in principle, but it seems to me that it would be better to make small changes, as and when they are clearly needed and can be fully justified _by added functionality that they give to the end user_. For example, one issue that has often been raised is the shortage of registers. I haven't looked at tex.web carefully, but on the face of it when Knuth says @d box_base=3Dtoks_base+256 {table of 256 box registers} it seems that one could increase the 256 without the heavens falling down. (One might even ask Knuth if he would sanction a general increase in register sizes, though I recognise that he has a rather rigid approach to changes in TeX.) -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-233 6090 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C3B4.74266C80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LICR objects in math

On Friday 24 January 2003 00:28, David Kastrup = wrote:

> If you take a look at printed mathematics in = journals, you'll find
> things like display equations spanning two of = three columns.

I have just taken a look at some mathematical = journals,
and none of them seemed to do anything like = that.
They are all in fact excessively conservative (even = by my standards),
particularly the German ones.
Which journal are you referring to?

>  I am just wondering why you are subscribed = to this
> list when your opinion is that LaTeX should not = be improved.

You are being disingenuous.
I am all in favour of improving LaTeX,
given that I think it is already pretty good,
due to the work of the LaTeX team over the = years.

But what you are talking about is tinkering with the = TeX engine
on which LaTeX runs.

I wouldn't even object to that in principle,
but it seems to me that it would be better
to make small changes, as and when they are clearly = needed
and can be fully justified
_by added functionality that they give to the end = user_.

For example, one issue that has often been = raised
is the shortage of registers.
I haven't looked at tex.web carefully,
but on the face of it when Knuth says

@d box_base=3Dtoks_base+256 {table of 256 box = registers}

it seems that one could increase the 256
without the heavens falling down.
(One might even ask Knuth if he would sanction
a general increase in register sizes,
though I recognise that he has a rather rigid = approach
to changes in TeX.)

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, = Dublin 2, Ireland

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