Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:53:44 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0NNrf6C014848 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:53:42 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0NNnsXM007646; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:49:55 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2C33A.A98E7400" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h0NN046t011966; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:42:40 +0100 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 6807 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:42:40 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h0NNgE5f012686 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:42:14 +0100 Received: from birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (c104-37.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.104.37]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0NNnPtt016671 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:49:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NNnM9I003354 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:49:23 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NNnLtq003352 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 23:49:21 GMT In-Reply-To: Organization: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin References: <15915.60496.798501.907773@lin2.idris.fr> <200301232130.53333.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2003 23:53:44.0257 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9B5AB10:01C2C33A] User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 x-mime-autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id h0NNgE5f012687 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -6.5 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LICR objects in math Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 00:49:20 +0100 Message-ID: A<200301232349.20628.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: LICR objects in math Thread-Index: AcLDOqnayRxfs5fbQTiXe5VQ8kt1Ag== From: "Timothy Murphy" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4482 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C33A.A98E7400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thursday 23 January 2003 21:58, David Kastrup wrote: > To put it bluntly: why would I need to persuade people like you? The > question of the right tool for the right job needs to get decided by > the people _doing_ the job. As far as I am concerned the job is printing mathematics, not writing packages which -- to return the bluntness -- nobody uses. > "what has been good enough for Knuth is good enough for us." Not good enough _for_ Knuth, good enough _by_ Knuth, > LaTeX > contains hundreds of bugs that are triggered not infrequently. Not by me. > LaTeX has outgrown TeX painfully already. You keep saying things like this. You may feel pain. but as far as I'm concerned LaTeX works pretty painlessly. In all the acres of argumentation you've propounded on the topic you have never -- as far as I am aware -- produced a single LaTeX file which would be better -- more easily, more elegantly -- processed by elatex than latex. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-233 6090 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C33A.A98E7400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LICR objects in math

On Thursday 23 January 2003 21:58, David Kastrup = wrote:

> To put it bluntly: why would I need to persuade = people like you? The
> question of the right tool for the right job = needs to get decided by
> the people _doing_ the job.

As far as I am concerned the job is printing = mathematics,
not writing packages which -- to return the bluntness = -- nobody uses.

> "what has been good enough for Knuth is good = enough for us."

Not good enough _for_ Knuth, good enough _by_ = Knuth,

> LaTeX
> contains hundreds of bugs that are triggered not = infrequently.

Not by me.

> LaTeX has outgrown TeX painfully already.

You keep saying things like this.
You may feel pain.
but as far as I'm concerned LaTeX works pretty = painlessly.

In all the acres of argumentation you've propounded on = the topic
you have never -- as far as I am aware --
produced a single LaTeX file which would be better = --
more easily, more elegantly --
processed by elatex than latex.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, = Dublin 2, Ireland

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