Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:51:36 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0NIpW6C013800 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:51:34 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0NIhcXM010779; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:43:38 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2C310.746D2C00" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h0MN04dd000617; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:36:12 +0100 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 8482 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:36:12 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h0NIaC5f010572 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:36:12 +0100 Received: from birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (c104-37.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.104.37]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0NIhOtt026421 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:43:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0NIhK9I002922 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:43:20 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0NIhJOQ002920 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 23 Jan 2003 18:43:19 GMT In-Reply-To: Organization: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin References: <15915.60496.798501.907773@lin2.idris.fr> <15918.44561.293583.31657@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jan 2003 18:51:36.0755 (UTC) FILETIME=[74E06030:01C2C310] User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 x-mime-autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id h0NIaC5f010573 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -6.5 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LICR objects in math Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:43:18 +0100 Message-ID: A<200301231843.18419.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: LICR objects in math Thread-Index: AcLDEHUFlr+dvxHMTmGjkt+6FZJxjQ== From: "Timothy Murphy" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4478 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C310.746D2C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday 22 January 2003 15:40, David Kastrup wrote: > I have sent a message to the tetex-pretest list telling people that it > is possible that there would come a time when it would be appreciated > if using eTeX as default engine for "latex" might be reasonably easy > to do and that the way of achieving that should be well-documented. > teTeX already comes with a separate "elatex", but most TeX shells and > users of course will use "latex" instead. First of all, I should say that I regard myself as an "ordinary" LaTeX = user. When I see the names Arsenau, Mittelbach or Kastrup I know my brain is about to be assaulted mercilessly, causing me grave depression at the degeneration of my mental faculties. But to return to the subject at issue, as far as I can see your belief = is (1) eTeX is better than LaTeX (2) But people are not using eTeX as they should be (3) Therefore eTeX should be renamed LaTeX, and LaTeX renamed dinoTeX. But speaking (I believe) for the hoi polloi, I am perfectly happy with LaTeX as it is. If there were something I wanted to do which I could do with eTeX but not with LaTeX then I would use eTeX. But I do not at the moment feel any urge to use \splitdiscards or any of the other macros you suggest, and in fact wouldn't have the slightest idea how to use them anyway. It seems to me that if eTeX is so much better than LaTeX then it is up to you to proselytize for eTeX, by pointing out the wonderful things one can do if only one uses eTeX in place of LaTeX. If you could persuade people that eTeX offered much better facilities then more and more people would use eTeX, and when say 40% (or even 20%) of LaTeX users had switched to eTeX it might be reasonable to make it the default. After all, many (most?) LaTeX users have switched to pdfLaTeX, without it being renamed LaTeX, just because it offered us a great new facility. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-233 6090 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C310.746D2C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LICR objects in math

On Wednesday 22 January 2003 15:40, David Kastrup = wrote:

> I have sent a message to the tetex-pretest list = telling people that it
> is possible that there would come a time when it = would be appreciated
> if using eTeX as default engine for = "latex" might be reasonably easy
> to do and that the way of achieving that should = be well-documented.
> teTeX already comes with a separate = "elatex", but most TeX shells and
> users of course will use "latex" = instead.

First of all, I should say that I regard myself as an = "ordinary" LaTeX user.
When I see the names Arsenau, Mittelbach or = Kastrup
I know my brain is about to be assaulted = mercilessly,
causing me grave depression at the degeneration of my = mental faculties.

But to return to the subject at issue, as far as I can = see your belief is

(1) eTeX is better than LaTeX

(2) But people are not using eTeX as they should = be

(3) Therefore eTeX should be renamed LaTeX,
and LaTeX renamed dinoTeX.

But speaking (I believe) for the hoi polloi,
I am perfectly happy with LaTeX as it is.
If there were something I wanted to do
which I could do with eTeX but not with LaTeX
then I would use eTeX.
But I do not at the moment feel any urge to use = \splitdiscards
or any of the other macros you suggest,
and in fact wouldn't have the slightest idea how to = use them anyway.

It seems to me that if eTeX is so much better than = LaTeX
then it is up to you to proselytize for eTeX,
by pointing out the wonderful things one can = do
if only one uses eTeX in place of LaTeX.
If you could persuade people that eTeX offered
much better facilities then more and more people = would use eTeX,
and when say 40% (or even 20%) of LaTeX users had = switched to eTeX
it might be reasonable to make it the default.

After all, many (most?) LaTeX users have switched to = pdfLaTeX,
without it being renamed LaTeX,
just because it offered us a great new = facility.


--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, = Dublin 2, Ireland

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