Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:27:59 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h0LERv6C004432 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:27:58 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0LEB9X3019872; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:11:09 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2C159.4BEF0180" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h0L2ppKx012859; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:03:53 +0100 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 8906 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:03:53 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h0LE3r5f017975 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:03:53 +0100 Received: from birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (c104-37.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.104.37]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h0LEAwAa015684 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:10:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h0LEAuU8001844 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:10:56 GMT Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h0LEAsWw001842 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:10:54 GMT In-Reply-To: <15917.9950.434672.425660@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Organization: School of Mathematics, Trinity College Dublin References: <15917.5131.149954.42674@lin2.idris.fr> <15917.9950.434672.425660@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jan 2003 14:27:59.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[4C6D5940:01C2C159] User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 x-mime-autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de id h0LE3r5f017976 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -6.5 () EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,NOSPAM_INC,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LICR objects in math Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:10:54 +0100 Message-ID: A<200301211410.54545.tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: LICR objects in math Thread-Index: AcLBWUyLI07YiK5dSJWI4wo9dauHmg== From: "Timothy Murphy" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4461 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C159.4BEF0180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tuesday 21 January 2003 10:54, Frank wrote: > if that is used in text then LaTex knows how to deal with any of them, = if > it is used in math then the question is to give it a sensible meaning I shouldn't really contribute to a discussion in which I am completely out of my depth -- but unless I have totally misunderstood you want to make it easy to use unicode "characters" within math. But shouldn't it be reasonably difficult to use unusual symbols within = math? There seems to me nothing wrong with requiring a special definition of math symbols. I didn't really understand the mention of cyrillic in this context -- are these russian letters to be used with mathematical meanings? As far as I know, even Russian mathematicians don't use cyrillic in their maths (though I could be wrong about that). I remember in my youth reading a book by Claude Chevalley (on Class Field Theory) in which he used Chinese or Japanese characters for certain central symbols. It looked very pretty, but I wouldn't like it to become commonplace. Apologies for this intrusion -- a one-line explanation of my misunderstanding would suffice. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-86-233 6090 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C159.4BEF0180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LICR objects in math

On Tuesday 21 January 2003 10:54, Frank wrote:

> if that is used in text then LaTex knows how to = deal with any of them, if
> it is used in math then the question is to give = it a sensible meaning

I shouldn't really contribute to a discussion
in which I am completely out of my depth --
but unless I have totally misunderstood
you want to make it easy to use unicode = "characters" within math.

But shouldn't it be reasonably difficult to use = unusual symbols within math?
There seems to me nothing wrong with requiring a = special definition
of math symbols.

I didn't really understand the mention of cyrillic in = this context --
are these russian letters to be used with = mathematical meanings?
As far as I know, even Russian mathematicians don't = use cyrillic
in their maths (though I could be wrong about = that).

I remember in my youth reading a book by Claude = Chevalley
(on Class Field Theory) in which he used Chinese or = Japanese characters
for certain central symbols.
It looked very pretty, but I wouldn't like it to = become commonplace.

Apologies for this intrusion --
a one-line explanation of my misunderstanding would = suffice.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: +353-86-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, = Dublin 2, Ireland

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