Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:57:47 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h08Dvi6C020832 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:57:45 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h08DnVEV001645; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:49:31 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2B71D.EC86FF80" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h081CYlC025022; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:42:56 +0100 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 5872 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:42:56 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h08DWuTk030192 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:32:56 +0100 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com (mailout02.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.17]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h08DdRwO009156 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:39:28 +0100 (MET) Received: from fwd03.sul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18WGQY-00039g-06; Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:39:26 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (520018396234-0001@[62.226.12.176]) by fmrl03.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18WGQP-0cXb0KC; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:39:17 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h08DdECo003205 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:39:15 +0100 Received: (from dak@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h08DdEO3003201; Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:39:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <15900.10264.614534.536619@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Lines: 28 References: <200212031601.gB3G11cQ009558@sun.dante.de> <15899.14827.804209.458595@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> <20030108133159790734.GyazMail.jbezos@wanadoo.es> <15900.10264.614534.536619@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jan 2003 13:57:47.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[ECB33FA0:01C2B71D] X-Sender: 520018396234-0001@t-dialin.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -2.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: latex/3480: Support for UTF-8 missing in inputenc.sty Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:39:14 +0100 Message-ID: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: latex/3480: Support for UTF-8 missing in inputenc.sty Thread-Index: AcK3HezfNwfE/NYjQPGhc0ftVWZRZA== From: "David Kastrup" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4417 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2B71D.EC86FF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Mittelbach writes: > David Kastrup writes: > > Javier Bezos writes: > > > > I think a better place is inputenc itself or fontenc; > > > otherwise saveboxes in the preamble won't work. > > > > Saveboxes in the preamble are probably not a good idea, anyway, = since > > the font setup has not completed there. > > well, yes. this is an open question to us for a long time. > > I tend to think that one has to view the preamble as a > "non-typesetting area" otherwise you end up with all kind of > complications, e.g., the font setup not being ready, etc. > > however, i still think that there are problems with typesetting in > the preamble and while i doubt it should be completely banned it is > best to assume that normally it doesn't work or can't be relied on. I think that it is pretty safe to wrap that sort of stuff in \AtBeginDocument or so. Except that quite a few packages shift stuff that could be relevant to that also in that hook. Perhaps one would need a command \AfterBeginDocument as well... -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2B71D.EC86FF80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: latex/3480: Support for UTF-8 missing in = inputenc.sty

        Frank = Mittelbach <frank.mittelbach@LATEX-PROJECT.ORG> writes:

> David Kastrup writes:
>  = >         Javier Bezos = <jbezos@WANADOO.ES> writes:
>
>  > > I think a better place is = inputenc itself or fontenc;
>  > > otherwise saveboxes in the = preamble won't work.
>  >
>  > Saveboxes in the preamble are = probably not a good idea, anyway, since
>  > the font setup has not completed = there.
>
> well, yes. this is an open question to us for a = long time.
>
> I tend to think that one has to view the = preamble as a
> "non-typesetting area" otherwise you = end up with all kind of
> complications, e.g., the font setup not being = ready, etc.
>
> however, i still think that there are problems = with typesetting in
> the preamble and while i doubt it should be = completely banned it is
> best to assume that normally it doesn't work or = can't be relied on.

I think that it is pretty safe to wrap that sort of = stuff in
\AtBeginDocument or so.  Except that quite a few = packages shift stuff
that could be relevant to that also in that = hook.  Perhaps one would
need a command \AfterBeginDocument as well...

--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

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