Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:40:49 +0100 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h07Ael6C015965 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:40:48 +0100 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h07AU6EV015593; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:30:06 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C2B639.3E098E80" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h071Ghjg014520; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:23:34 +0100 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 5851 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:23:33 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id h07ADXTk018202 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:13:33 +0100 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com (mailout05.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.82]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id h07AK2wO015793 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:20:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from fwd10.sul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 18Vqq2-0004VN-0C; Tue, 07 Jan 2003 11:20:02 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (520018396234-0001@[217.80.160.90]) by fmrl10.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 18Vqpx-2BWuVkC; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:19:57 +0100 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h07AJtPc018432 for ; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:19:55 +0100 Received: (from dak@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h07AJtZZ018428; Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:19:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030107095044.GA15964@linux> Lines: 25 References: <15897.10031.19948.331055@cs.anu.edu.au> <15897.49420.486809.50100@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> <20030106222453.GA25307@lucien.kn-bremen.de> <20030107095044.GA15964@linux> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jan 2003 10:40:49.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[3E6DA780:01C2B639] X-Sender: 520018396234-0001@t-dialin.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.28 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) X-Spam-Score: -2.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Proposed change of policy Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:19:54 +0100 Message-ID: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Proposed change of policy Thread-Index: AcK2OT6HzBH0TtpxQRuI03/XApMW/Q== From: "David Kastrup" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4408 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2B639.3E098E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heiko Oberdiek writes: > On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 12:28:44AM +0100, David Kastrup wrote: > > > Do you know of a single document that would fail if e-TeX was used? > > Yes, documents with french.sty will break. > If I remember correctly, the reason is a name clash with \beginL. Let's warn them in 2003 and give them one year of time to get to grips. If they don't, a compatibility file which does \let\beginL\undefined \let\beginR\undefined should not be too hard to do. But it would preclude (like now) documents using french.sty to have a chance to typeset RL texts in a standard manner. High time to give them a better reason not to sabotage the Middle East if they have not seen a good one yet. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2B639.3E098E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Proposed change of policy

        Heiko = Oberdiek <oberdiek@UNI-FREIBURG.DE> writes:

> On Tue, Jan 07, 2003 at 12:28:44AM +0100, David = Kastrup wrote:
>
> > Do you know of a single document that would = fail if e-TeX was used?
>
> Yes, documents with french.sty will = break.
> If I remember correctly, the reason is a name = clash with \beginL.

Let's warn them in 2003 and give them one year of time = to get to
grips.

If they don't, a compatibility file which does
\let\beginL\undefined
\let\beginR\undefined

should not be too hard to do.  But it would = preclude (like now)
documents using french.sty to have a chance to = typeset RL texts in a
standard manner.

High time to give them a better reason not to sabotage = the Middle
East if they have not seen a good one yet.

--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

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