Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:59:18 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6I1wtWi025801 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:58:56 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6I1egT8003054; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:40:42 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22DFE.B9AF1F00" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g6HM04so013931; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:41:41 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 4036 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:41:41 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g6I1eNrU014633 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:40:23 +0200 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g6I1dMT8002987 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 03:39:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere by salmon.maths.tcd.ie via UUCP id ; 18 Jul 2002 02:39:22 +0100 (BST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by alfred.murphy.ie (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g6I1FVF04588; Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:15:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20020717212357.GK24083@netexpress.net>; from vorlon@netexpress.net on Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 04:23:58PM -0500 References: <15667.17322.923787.604569@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> <20020716094829.A3002@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20020716.135105.41626007.wlandry@ucsd.edu> <20020717022416.A3442@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20020717023521.GA14707@dodds.net> <20020717215542.B4362@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20020717212357.GK24083@netexpress.net> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2002 01:59:18.0809 (UTC) FILETIME=[BA2A9090:01C22DFE] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.6 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 02:15:31 +0100 Message-ID: A<20020718021531.A4573@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia Thread-Index: AcIt/rpJabWQkzywSWyJMXq1G6IY8A== From: "Timothy Murphy" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4322 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22DFE.B9AF1F00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 04:23:58PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote: > I never claimed to have a monopoly on the word "free". I used the = term > "Free Software", which is much more specific and has a specific = meaning > to the community in which the term originated. ... > That this discussion is being entertained at all > surely indicates that at least someone with a say in the matter = believes > freeness -- or at least widespread distribution -- is important to > LaTeX. There you are -- you _do_ consider you have been granted the True Meaning of "freeness". Can't you understand that all LaTeX users I've ever met -- and I've met = many -- consider that LaTeX IS (already) FREE. You seem to believe that Frank Mittelbach is looking for some kind of papal blessing from Debian. As far as I can see, Frank -- who is largely responsible for the extraordinarily high quality of LaTeX = today -- is sad to see a schism in the world of free software (TM RS), and is doing his best to bridge the gap. In my opinion he is rather innocent; he has about as much chance of reaching agreement with Debian as I have of reaching an understanding with the Orange Order. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: 086-233 6090 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22DFE.B9AF1F00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia

On Wed, Jul 17, 2002 at 04:23:58PM -0500, Steve = Langasek wrote:

> I never claimed to have a monopoly on the word = "free".  I used the term
> "Free Software", which is much more = specific and has a specific meaning
> to the community in which the term = originated.
...
> That this discussion is being entertained at = all
> surely indicates that at least someone with a = say in the matter believes
> freeness -- or at least widespread distribution = -- is important to
> LaTeX.

There you are -- you _do_ consider you have been = granted
the True Meaning of "freeness".

Can't you understand that all LaTeX users I've ever = met -- and I've met many --
consider that LaTeX IS (already) FREE.

You seem to believe that Frank Mittelbach is looking = for
some kind of papal blessing from Debian.
As far as I can see, Frank --
who is largely responsible for the extraordinarily = high quality of LaTeX today --
is sad to see a schism in the world of free software = (TM RS),
and is doing his best to bridge the gap.

In my opinion he is rather innocent;
he has about as much chance of reaching agreement = with Debian
as I have of reaching an understanding with the = Orange Order.


--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, = Dublin 2, Ireland

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