Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:45:46 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6H6jMWi022579 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:45:23 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6H6WiT8022486; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:32:44 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22D5D.941E0900" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g6GM04vm006287; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:33:34 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 7551 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:33:34 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g6H6XXrU007914 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:33:33 +0200 Received: from moutng3.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6H6WWT8022444 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:32:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [212.227.126.162] (helo=mrelayng1.schlund.de) by moutng3.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2) id 17UiLq-0003Ok-00; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:31:54 +0200 Received: from [80.129.3.241] (helo=istrati.mittelbach-online.de) by mrelayng1.schlund.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17UiLq-0002IE-00; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:31:54 +0200 Received: (from frank@localhost) by istrati.mittelbach-online.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g6H6VWc22913; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 08:31:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20020717035525.GR15546@deadbeast.net> References: <200207162352.g6GNq9Ow031038@bilbo.localnet> <20020717004142.GA7061@cs140102.pp.htv.fi> <200207170143.g6H1hXkb032256@bilbo.localnet> <20020717035525.GR15546@deadbeast.net> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under Emacs 20.7.1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 06:45:46.0899 (UTC) FILETIME=[94A73630:01C22D5D] X-Authentication-Warning: istrati.mittelbach-online.de: frank set sender to frank@mittelbach-online.de using -f X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.6 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: spokesman (was Re: User's thoughts about LPPL) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 07:31:32 +0100 Message-ID: A<15669.3908.856020.603843@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: spokesman (was Re: User's thoughts about LPPL) Thread-Index: AcItXZTEeuHb6vV5QWOTecp09/v6PQ== From: "Frank Mittelbach" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4313 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22D5D.941E0900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Branden Robinson writes: > The ease of alternatives to modifying source code is not important. = The > right of the user to create modifications and derived works is. > > Interestingly, Frank Mittelbach is asserting that it is not the = intent > of the LPPL to forbid mere modification of LaTeX source code: > > Message-ID: <15668.38793.81093.365404@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> > > "it is not the intention to disallow modification without > redistribution. the license has a paragraph labeled recommendation = that > talks about that but that is already by its title a suggestion only" > > Perhaps the LaTeX community should appoint a spokesman to the Debian > Project so that we do not get contradictory statements about what is > acceptable? Branden, pardon me, but i think this is funny. seems that you think the = LaTeX community needs as spokesman which is the very thing that I think debian needs. as far as this discussion goes a lot of people (some of which with @debian.org) have contributed in one way or another, are they all = spokesmans for debian? if so I probably give up that this discussion as it feels pointless and impossible to reach any conclusion. if not then please = tell us who is spokesman for debian (eg you and or Jeff)? as for spokesmen of the LaTeX community i can't give you any as the = community has members and they have opinions and express them for which I am = grateful even if i don't agree with them always (just as i grateful if members of debian contribute) as for spokesmen for the LaTeX Project Team as the copyright owner of = LPPL this is me and David Carlisle. does that help? frank ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22D5D.941E0900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable spokesman (was Re: User's thoughts about LPPL)

Branden Robinson writes:

 > The ease of alternatives to modifying = source code is not important.  The
 > right of the user to create modifications = and derived works is.
 >
 > Interestingly, Frank Mittelbach is = asserting that it is not the intent
 > of the LPPL to forbid mere modification of = LaTeX source code:
 >
 > Message-ID: = <15668.38793.81093.365404@istrati.mittelbach-online.de>
 >
 > "it is not the intention to disallow = modification without
 > redistribution.  the license has a = paragraph labeled recommendation that
 > talks about that but that is already by = its title a suggestion only"
 >
 > Perhaps the LaTeX community should appoint = a spokesman to the Debian
 > Project so that we do not get = contradictory statements about what is
 > acceptable?

Branden, pardon me, but i think this is funny. seems = that you think the LaTeX
community needs as spokesman which is the very thing = that I think debian
needs.

as far as this discussion goes a lot of people (some = of which with
@debian.org) have contributed in one way or another, = are they all spokesmans
for debian? if so I probably give up that this = discussion as it feels
pointless and impossible to reach any conclusion. if = not then please tell us
who is spokesman for debian (eg you and or = Jeff)?

as for spokesmen of the LaTeX community i can't give = you any as the community
has members and they have opinions and express them = for which I am grateful
even if i don't agree with them always (just as i = grateful if members of
debian contribute)

as for spokesmen for the LaTeX Project Team as the = copyright owner of LPPL
this is me and David Carlisle.

does that help?

frank

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