Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:48:19 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6H1ltWi022028 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:47:56 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6H1bxT8006886; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:37:59 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22D34.0679F380" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g6GM04tS006287; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:39:00 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 7408 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:39:00 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g6H1bOrU006981 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:37:24 +0200 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g6H1aKWK005182 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 03:36:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere by salmon.maths.tcd.ie via UUCP id ; 17 Jul 2002 02:36:15 +0100 (BST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by alfred.murphy.ie (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g6H1OGt03457; Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:24:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20020716.135105.41626007.wlandry@ucsd.edu>; from wlandry@ucsd.edu on Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 01:51:05PM -0700 References: <15667.17322.923787.604569@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> <20020716094829.A3002@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> <20020716.135105.41626007.wlandry@ucsd.edu> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jul 2002 01:48:19.0702 (UTC) FILETIME=[06E51160:01C22D34] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.6 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 02:24:16 +0100 Message-ID: A<20020717022416.A3442@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia Thread-Index: AcItNAcXuxCl5h0JQSWOErQx+qS6dw== From: "Timothy Murphy" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4311 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22D34.0679F380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 01:51:05PM -0700, Walter Landry wrote: > > Could I distribute a modified version of Linux without Torvald's = permission? > > I hope not. > Absolutely. Debian distributes modified kernels, and I know that we > didn't ask for permission from Linus or the thousands of other > copyright holders. In fact, some of the modifications were made > against the express wish of some of the copyright holders. That seems to me a very good reason for not using Debian kernels. In any case, does it matter what "modified kernels" Debian distributes? Surely anyone with a serious interest in Linux will get the latest kernel from www.kernel.org and compile that. I do much the same with LaTeX. When I get a new Linux distribution, I look at the TeX system, and if it seems odd in any way I get the official teTeX sources from one of the CTANs and compile those. Life is too short to waste time on "personal versions" of software. We went through that with LaTeX-2.09, of which there were a dozen different versions (probably one of them was Debian's) which just caused a lot of pain. Incidentally, I am not "the LaTeX community". I am just a LaTeX user. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: 086-233 6090 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22D34.0679F380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia

On Tue, Jul 16, 2002 at 01:51:05PM -0700, Walter = Landry wrote:
> > Could I distribute a modified version of = Linux without Torvald's permission?
> > I hope not.

> Absolutely.  Debian distributes modified = kernels, and I know that we
> didn't ask for permission from Linus or the = thousands of other
> copyright holders.  In fact, some of the = modifications were made
> against the express wish of some of the = copyright holders.

That seems to me a very good reason for not using = Debian kernels.
In any case, does it matter what "modified = kernels" Debian distributes?
Surely anyone with a serious interest in Linux
will get the latest kernel from www.kernel.org and = compile that.

I do much the same with LaTeX.
When I get a new Linux distribution,
I look at the TeX system,
and if it seems odd in any way
I get the official teTeX sources from one of the = CTANs
and compile those.

Life is too short to waste time
on "personal versions" of software.
We went through that with LaTeX-2.09,
of which there were a dozen different versions
(probably one of them was Debian's)
which just caused a lot of pain.

Incidentally, I am not "the LaTeX = community".
I am just a LaTeX user.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, = Dublin 2, Ireland

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