Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:43:31 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6GKh6Wi021216 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:43:07 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6GKT0T8012066; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:29:01 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22D09.71FA9B80" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g6FM03Ga031169; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:29:51 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 7265 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:29:51 +0200 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g6GKTprU005863 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:29:51 +0200 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id g6GKSkT8012022 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 22:28:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere by salmon.maths.tcd.ie via UUCP id ; 16 Jul 2002 21:28:45 +0100 (BST) Received: (from tim@localhost) by alfred.murphy.ie (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g6G8mUX03006; Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:48:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <15667.17322.923787.604569@istrati.mittelbach-online.de>; from frank@MITTELBACH-ONLINE.DE on Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 11:50:34PM +0200 References: <15667.17322.923787.604569@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jul 2002 20:43:31.0346 (UTC) FILETIME=[722F6720:01C22D09] User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.6 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 09:48:29 +0100 Message-ID: A<20020716094829.A3002@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia Thread-Index: AcItCXJMb1rFQKF0RFGIA+vEWn5Cag== From: "Timothy Murphy" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4299 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22D09.71FA9B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Now, I realize that you don't say this in so many words. But all of = the > restrictions on filenames and the business about Current Maintainers > make very little sense otherwise. Certainly those clauses in the > license don't give people a sense of cooperation and trust. > > It might be instructive to see if that's really the feeling among = people > associated with LaTeX. If not, then perhaps you could be a little = less > paranoid about changes to LaTeX that are well-documented. If you are really interested in the views of LaTeX users, why not ask on comp.text.tex ? I'm quite certain you will find that 99% of LaTeX users support Frank = 100%, and do NOT want Debian or anyone else distributing "improved" versions = of article.cls , even if they correct what their authors consider to be "bugs". On a technical point, I would have thought that any conceivable change to article.cls could be encompassed in a package (.sty file), and you could simply tell people that you think article class is greatly improved if you usepackage{debianmods} or whatever. I've used TeX and Linux since they each came out, and I have no sense that one is "free-er" than the other. I don't even see the distinction you make regarding Current Maintainers. Could I distribute a modified version of Linux without Torvald's = permission? I hope not. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie tel: 086-233 6090 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22D09.71FA9B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: forwarded message from Jeff Licquia

> Now, I realize that you don't say this in so many = words.  But all of the
> restrictions on filenames and the business about = Current Maintainers
> make very little sense otherwise.  = Certainly those clauses in the
> license don't give people a sense of cooperation = and trust.
>
> It might be instructive to see if that's really = the feeling among people
> associated with LaTeX.  If not, then = perhaps you could be a little less
> paranoid about changes to LaTeX that are = well-documented.

If you are really interested in the views of LaTeX = users,
why not ask on comp.text.tex ?
I'm quite certain you will find that 99% of LaTeX = users support Frank 100%,
and do NOT want Debian or anyone else distributing = "improved" versions of article.cls ,
even if they correct what their authors consider to = be "bugs".

On a technical point, I would have thought
that any conceivable change to article.cls
could be encompassed in a package (.sty file),
and you could simply tell people that you think = article class
is greatly improved if you usepackage{debianmods} or = whatever.

I've used TeX and Linux since they each came = out,
and I have no sense that one is "free-er" = than the other.
I don't even see the distinction you make regarding = Current Maintainers.
Could I distribute a modified version of Linux = without Torvald's permission?
I hope not.

--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: tim@birdsnest.maths.tcd.ie
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, = Dublin 2, Ireland

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