Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:56:16 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g6FKtoWi017653 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:55:51 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6FKePWK006163; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:40:25 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22C42.0F8A9800" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g6F5l6Ee024602; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:41:31 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 5790 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:41:31 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g6FKfVrU030687 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:41:31 +0200 Received: from moutng1.kundenserver.de (moutng1.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g6FKeNWK006157 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:40:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng0.kundenserver.de) by moutng1.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #2) id 17UCds-0005a8-00 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:40:24 +0200 Received: from [80.129.0.26] (helo=istrati.mittelbach-online.de) by mrelayng0.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17UCdq-00037v-00 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:40:23 +0200 Received: (from frank@localhost) by istrati.mittelbach-online.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g6FKeKW05304 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 22:40:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <200207042108.g64L8649017884@diziet.clawpaws.net> <20020714195323.GA18502@molehole.dyndns.org> <15667.9629.854453.790551@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under Emacs 20.7.1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2002 20:56:16.0168 (UTC) FILETIME=[0FA43A80:01C22C42] X-Authentication-Warning: istrati.mittelbach-online.de: frank set sender to frank@mittelbach-online.de using -f X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.6 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Comments: Originally-From: Frank Mittelbach Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Motivations; proposed alternative license (was Re: LaTeX PublicProject License, Version 1.3 (DRAFT)) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 21:40:19 +0100 Message-ID: A<15667.13107.836729.63874@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Motivations; proposed alternative license (was Re: LaTeX PublicProject License, Version 1.3 (DRAFT)) Thread-Index: AcIsQg+/QGItHSJxTjSloOGi9eT/kA== From: To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4292 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22C42.0F8A9800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Will Newton writes: > No amount of license changes will prevent site administrators making = their > own changes to their LaTeX installation, and I would hope major > distributors if so then why bother to license anything at all? > would have enough respect for their users and the LaTeX community not = to make > such a gratuitous change in any case. the problem is that prior to LPPL (which is now in use for a number of = years) many people were not even aware that they do something "wrong" to the = community and their local users. now most of them are (at least within the LaTeX community) > No, I do not believe this is a good > argument for making a package unfree. it would certainly a bad reason to make a package unfree. my claim is = that it isn't! frank ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22C42.0F8A9800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Motivations; proposed alternative license (was Re: LaTeX = PublicProject License, Version 1.3 (DRAFT))

Will Newton writes:
 > No amount of license changes will prevent = site administrators making their
 > own changes to their LaTeX installation, = and I would hope major
 > distributors

if so then why bother to license anything at = all?

 > would have enough respect for their users = and the LaTeX community not to make
 > such a gratuitous change in any = case.

the problem is that prior to LPPL (which is now in use = for a number of years)
many people were not even aware that they do = something "wrong" to the community
and their local users. now most of them are (at least = within the LaTeX
community)

 > No, I do not believe this is a good
 > argument for making a package = unfree.

it would certainly a bad reason to make a package = unfree. my claim is that it
isn't!

frank

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