Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:25:38 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g61LPIxC030004 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:25:19 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g61LAOWK020572; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:10:24 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C22145.D7FDF500" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g615CgGn021959; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:11:47 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 3296 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:11:47 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g61LBlxD027936 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:11:47 +0200 Received: from moutng0.schlund.de (moutng0.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.170]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g61LA4WK020531 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:10:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng0.kundenserver.de) by moutng0.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #2) id 17P8Qt-0005iN-00 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:10:03 +0200 Received: from [80.129.3.9] (helo=istrati.mittelbach-online.de) by mrelayng0.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17P8Qs-0007Wg-00 for LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 23:10:03 +0200 Received: (from frank@localhost) by istrati.mittelbach-online.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g61L8dC05629; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:08:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <200207012144.16831@KOMA> References: <3.0.6.32.20020621144417.007b3100@mail.uark.edu> <200207011544.g61FiC49026221@diziet.clawpaws.net> <15648.40889.244234.33682@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> <200207012144.16831@KOMA> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.96 under Emacs 20.7.1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jul 2002 21:25:38.0413 (UTC) FILETIME=[D83CF9D0:01C22145] X-Authentication-Warning: istrati.mittelbach-online.de: frank set sender to frank@mittelbach-online.de using -f X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.6 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Suggested changes to LPPL Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:08:39 +0100 Message-ID: A<15648.50391.890690.544946@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Suggested changes to LPPL Thread-Index: AcIhRdhqfP9SQFQsTM+9nHorkeFtJw== From: "Frank Mittelbach" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4232 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22145.D7FDF500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Markus Kohm wrote: > Am Montag, 1. Juli 2002 20:30 hast du geschrieben: > > But in fact in most situations this isn't what the authors of = packages > > would like to have. they would like to have the package live on = after they > > stopped using latex or being able to maintain it. > > To make this possible we don't need a change of lppl. If the author = wants to > stop maintaining a package and wants to allow someone else to = maintain it, he > simply can add something like > [...] the issue are not the authors who actively seek somebody to carry the = torch, but simply those who have written something during their studend days, = or God knows when and simply changed communities, having forgotten all about = it. if you are able to track them, they usually say, go ahead, ...., but the problem is that they do not forsee their vanishing from the scene. just look at the many packages around on ctan with copyright notices of = some sort (prior to lppl) that are "authorless" by now. > BTW: I never used the term "or (at your option) any later version" at = the > license part of my packages, because I fear such surprising new = paragraphs at > LPPL. that part is straight from GPL :-) I really don't want to put surprises into LPPL which is why i want this discussion. my aim for LPPL is to reflect what the LaTeX community in = its majority wants (in spirit not so much in actual legal terms, that is a = side issue) good night frank > > Markus ------_=_NextPart_001_01C22145.D7FDF500 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Suggested changes to LPPL

Markus Kohm wrote:
 > Am Montag, 1. Juli 2002 20:30 hast du = geschrieben:
 > > But in fact in most situations this = isn't what the authors of packages
 > > would like to have. they would like = to have the package live on after they
 > > stopped using latex or being able to = maintain it.
 >
 > To make this possible we don't need a = change of lppl. If the author wants to
 > stop maintaining a package and wants to = allow someone else to maintain it, he
 > simply can add something like
 > [...]

the issue are not the authors who actively seek = somebody to carry the torch,
but simply those who have written something during = their studend days, or God
knows when and simply changed communities, having = forgotten all about it.

if you are able to track them, they usually say, go = ahead, ...., but the
problem is that they do not forsee their vanishing = from the scene.

just look at the many packages around on ctan with = copyright notices of some
sort (prior to lppl) that are "authorless" = by now.


 > BTW: I never used the term "or (at = your option) any later version" at the
 > license part of my packages, because I = fear such surprising new paragraphs at
 > LPPL.

that part is straight from GPL :-)

I really don't want to put surprises into LPPL which = is why i want this
discussion. my aim for LPPL is to reflect what the = LaTeX community in its
majority wants (in spirit not so much in actual legal = terms, that is a side
issue)


good night
frank
 >
 > Markus

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