Received: from mail.proteosys.com ([62.225.9.49]) by nummer-3.proteosys with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:58:01 +0200 Received: by mail.proteosys.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g5T9vcxC020091 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:57:39 +0200 Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5T9hbT8021247; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:43:37 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C21F53.7413DA80" Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g5T6MHxj013106; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:43:55 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 3826 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:43:55 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (relay2.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.210.211]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g5T9htxD014249 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:43:55 +0200 Received: from mutant.triumf.ca (mutant.Triumf.CA [142.90.112.22]) by relay2.uni-heidelberg.de (8.12.4/8.12.4) with ESMTP id g5T9g4T8020988 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 11:42:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from asnd@localhost) by mutant.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA01931; Sat, 29 Jun 2002 02:47:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: Frank Mittelbach's message of "Wed, 26 Jun 2002 09:04:40 +0200" Lines: 29 Organization: TRIUMF: Canada's national meson facility References: <3.0.6.32.20020621144417.007b3100@mail.uark.edu> <15639.26375.782098.164234@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> <3D17F428.20702@toshiba.co.jp> <15640.43741.596149.994860@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> <15641.26504.20435.649672@istrati.mittelbach-online.de> Return-Path: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2002 09:58:02.0211 (UTC) FILETIME=[74CCA330:01C21F53] User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 X-Authentication-Warning: mutant.triumf.ca: asnd set sender to asnd@triumf.ca using -f X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.6 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Suggested changes to LPPL Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 10:47:04 +0100 Message-ID: A X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Re: Suggested changes to LPPL Thread-Index: AcIfU3T5Ac8aZK7nRJajlO21/hYEdQ== From: "Donald Arseneau" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4222 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C21F53.7413DA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Mittelbach writes: > > it has no provision for the author/supporter "disappearing" from = LaLa > > I agree with you that this is a threat. but do you have a good = suggestion on > how to resolve it? Bernard suggested "as long as the author can be = reached by > email [or ...]" > > is that the way to go? and if so how would that be phrased? And what = would be > exactly the status of such parentless software? > > should it require somebody else stepping in and anouncing to support = the > software? (prior to being allowed to take over?) or would after that = period > the software essentially become GPL (ie changeable by anybody without = actually > maintaing it, ie generating the language problem LPPL tries to avoid?) I've tried to come up with a good general-purpose way to express the "proof of disappearance", and have not come up with anything robust. If it were just for myself, I could say "not posting to the usenet newsgroup comp.text.tex for six months", but that's not good for most people. The condition of "reachable by email" makes the most sense, if there is an email address in the package source, but email addresses change, and perhaps the return address doesn't get updated. Donald Arseneau asnd@triumf.ca ------_=_NextPart_001_01C21F53.7413DA80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Suggested changes to LPPL

Frank Mittelbach = <frank.mittelbach@LATEX-PROJECT.ORG> writes:

>  > it has no provision for the = author/supporter "disappearing" from LaLa
>
> I agree with you that this is a threat. but do = you have a good suggestion on
> how to resolve it? Bernard suggested "as = long as the author can be reached by
> email [or ...]"
>
> is that the way to go? and if so how would that = be phrased? And what would be
> exactly the status of such parentless = software?
>
> should it require somebody else stepping in and = anouncing to support the
> software? (prior to being allowed to take over?) = or would after that period
> the software essentially become GPL (ie = changeable by anybody without actually
> maintaing it, ie generating the language problem = LPPL tries to avoid?)

I've tried to come up with a good general-purpose way = to express the
"proof of disappearance", and have not come = up with anything robust.
If it were just for myself, I could say "not = posting to the usenet
newsgroup comp.text.tex for six months", but = that's not good for most
people.  The condition of "reachable by = email" makes the most sense,
if there is an email address in the package source, = but email addresses
change, and perhaps the return address doesn't get = updated.

Donald = Arseneau           = ;            =    asnd@triumf.ca

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