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In-Reply-To:  Message from Donald Arseneau <asnd@TRIUMF.CA> of "Tue, 25 Jun              2002 17:18:46 PDT." <yfisn3asxi1.fsf@triumf.ca>
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Subject:      Re: Suggested changes to LPPL
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:56:04 +0100
Message-ID: A<200206260556.g5Q5u4BJ027883@diziet.clawpaws.net>
Thread-Topic:      Re: Suggested changes to LPPL
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From: "C.M. Connelly" <c@ESKIMO.COM>
To: <LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de>
Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" <LATEX-L@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de>
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"DA" =3D=3D Donald Arseneau DA> I have another problem with the use of =
LPPL for DA> contributed packages: it has no provision for the DA> =
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anybody from adopting support in perpetuity. DA> This is not really a =
problem for the LaTeX core DA> distribution. That's the main issue that =
I (personally) see as a problem with the LPPL. As I said in previous =
exchanges (mostly with Robin), none of the Debian people who have qualms =
have articulated those qualms in public. From my mail, it looks like two =
of them are likely to be * Restrictions on distribution -- requiring the =
distribution of the source (dtx and ins files) as well as the derived =
files (sty, tex, ps, pdf, etc.), despite the appearance of copyright =
statements. (Debian currently distributes a separate tetex-source =
package that contains the dtx and ins files.) * Questions about the =
requirement to rename modified files. If you want to get a better idea =
of what some of the more ``hard-line'' Debian people are thinking, I (or =
Frank) could submit the text of Frank's changes to the mailing list for =
discussion or invite interested parties from that list to join latex-l =
for (at least) the duration of this discussion. Claire =
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<br>"DA" =3D=3D Donald Arseneau <asnd@TRIUMF.CA>

    DA> I have another problem with the use of LPPL for
    DA> contributed packages: it has no provision for the
    DA> author/supporter "disappearing" from LaLa LaTeX land, and
    DA> prevents anybody from adopting support in perpetuity.
    DA> This is not really a problem for the LaTeX core
    DA> distribution.

That's the main issue that I (personally) see as a problem with
the LPPL.  As I said in previous exchanges (mostly with Robin),
none of the Debian people who have qualms have articulated those
qualms in public.

From my mail, it looks like two of them are likely to be

   * Restrictions on distribution -- requiring the distribution of
     the source (dtx and ins files) as well as the derived files
     (sty, tex, ps, pdf, etc.), despite the appearance of
     copyright statements.  (Debian currently distributes a
     separate tetex-source package that contains the dtx and ins
     files.)

   * Questions about the requirement to rename modified files.

If you want to get a better idea of what some of the more
``hard-line'' Debian people are thinking, I (or Frank) could
submit the text of Frank's changes to the
<debian-legal@lists.debian.org> mailing list for discussion or
invite interested parties from that list to join latex-l for (at
least) the duration of this discussion.

   Claire

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