Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f9SIDiu02434 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:13:44 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f9SIDiX32150 . for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:13:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C15FDC.477E7C00" Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f9SIDhX21644 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:13:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00011 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:13:43 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f9SIDhq20091 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:13:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f9SI9Hf20596; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:09:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id f9SI6G406431; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:06:16 +0100 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 0943 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:06:12 +0100 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id f9SI6C406425 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:06:12 +0100 Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f9SI97f20506 for ; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:09:07 +0100 (MET) Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f9SI94X32103 .; Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:09:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200110281405.f9SE5r405211@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de> Return-Path: X-X-Sender: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: [latex3] can't access web site Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 19:11:49 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rainer_Sch=F6pf?= To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4169 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15FDC.477E7C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Bob Kline wrote: > Usually this is true for a mailing list. However, LATEX-L is the = only > list I have seen which has a web interface for joining the list and > gaining access to the archives that confirms that your registration > as successful, but then denies access to the archives and the posting > interface. None of the automated messages sent by the interface > identify the address of the list administrator. I even tried writing > to postmaster@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de, and while the message was > delivered successfully I never received a reply. So after several > days I gave up and posted a message directly to the list. It was = only > after I got the rejection bounce of my posting that I finally had an > address for the list administrator. Unfortunately, what you get is the address for the list owner, not the administrator. I won't bother you with listserv administrivia; we list owners are only lowly persons who are allowed to control the list policy or membership. Controlling the interface is the realm of the listserv administrator. postmaster@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de seems to me the = right address to complain. I'm also annoyed with the way the listserv is managed, and have already moved one of my lists (CTAN-ANN) to another server. However, moving an open list such as LATEX-L would give rise to so much confusion that I = did not propose it yet. > I would strongly urge that > > 1. the web interface for registration be fixed; and > 2. the headers for all automated messages include the = administrator's > email address. Actually, when I tried the web interface to access the archives just a = few minutes ago, it worked fine. As for the automated messages, these are standard messages provided by the listserv software. > I wonder how large the subscriber list for LATEX-L would be if the > interface for joining the list weren't broken. I doubt that it makes a difference. The advertised interface for joining is via mail, and that worked. The web interface is a very recent = addition. Of course, the configuration errors should be fixed, but I don't think = it influences the membership. Rainer Sch=F6pf ------_=_NextPart_001_01C15FDC.477E7C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: [latex3] can't access web site

On Sun, 28 Oct 2001, Bob Kline wrote:

 > Usually this is true for a mailing = list.  However, LATEX-L is the only
 > list I have seen which has a web interface = for joining the list and
 > gaining access to the archives that = confirms that your registration
 > as successful, but then denies access to = the archives and the posting
 > interface.  None of the automated = messages sent by the interface
 > identify the address of the list = administrator.  I even tried writing
 > to postmaster@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de, = and while the message was
 > delivered successfully I never received a = reply.  So after several
 > days I gave up and posted a message = directly to the list.  It was only
 > after I got the rejection bounce of my = posting that I finally had an
 > address for the list administrator.

Unfortunately, what you get is the address for the = list owner, not the
administrator. I won't bother you with listserv = administrivia; we list
owners are only lowly persons who are allowed to = control the list policy
or membership. Controlling the interface is the realm = of the listserv
administrator. postmaster@listserv.uni-heidelberg.de = seems to me the right
address to complain.

I'm also annoyed with the way the listserv is managed, = and have already
moved one of my lists (CTAN-ANN) to another server. = However, moving an
open list such as LATEX-L would give rise to so much = confusion that I did
not propose it yet.

 > I would strongly urge that
 >
 >  1. the web interface for = registration be fixed; and
 >  2. the headers for all automated = messages include the administrator's
 >     email = address.

Actually, when I tried the web interface to access the = archives just a few
minutes ago, it worked fine.

As for the automated messages, these are standard = messages provided by
the listserv software.

 > I wonder how large the subscriber list for = LATEX-L would be if the
 > interface for joining the list weren't = broken.

I doubt that it makes a difference. The advertised = interface for joining
is via mail, and that worked. The web interface is a = very recent addition.
Of course, the configuration errors should be fixed, = but I don't think it
influences the membership.

   Rainer Sch=F6pf

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