Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f81BlN909241 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:47:23 +0200 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.4/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f81Bl8T28550 . for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:47:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f81Bl3J25229 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:47:03 +0200 (MET DST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C132DB.DCFED780" Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.57]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20185 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:47:03 +0200 (MEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f81Bl2J25225 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:47:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f81Bjcb25309; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:45:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from listserv (listserv.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.27]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id f81Bino15851; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:44:49 +0200 Received: from LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 0380 for LATEX-L@LISTSERV.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:44:49 +0200 Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by listserv.uni-heidelberg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id f81Bimo15840 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:44:48 +0200 Received: from tninet.se (franklin.tninet.se [195.100.94.106]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f81Bjab25293 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2001 13:45:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [195.100.226.130] (du130-226.ppp.su-anst.tninet.se [195.100.226.130]) by franklin.tninet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier 2.2.2) with ESMTP id 800437.344218.999franklin-s2 for ; Sat, 01 Sep 2001 13:36:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <15247.57417.101750.851109@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: Return-Path: X-Sender: haberg@pop.matematik.su.se Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LaTeX3 and Omega Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 12:14:15 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Hans Aberg" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4167 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C132DB.DCFED780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 21:06 +0200 2001/08/31, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > > Omega is definetely a step forward, but at the same time pdfTeX is a = step > > forward. So I believe that the Omega team must consider incorporate > > the ability to generate PDF files in future releases of the system. > >people are in disagreement about this. it is certainly true that it is = a major >step forward now, but can it stay ahead or is the pdf quality it is = producing >declining after a while? How could the decline? I see how it could outdate, but decline? Another way to go might be to extend the DVI format, or make an entirely new one. There are some other formats around, like VCG for displaying graphics, http://rw4.cs.uni-sb.de/users/sander/html/gsvcg1.html which showed up in Bison now, but one cannot produce PDF/PS/DVI from it, = as there are no converters written. So there appears to be some need of producing an independent format. >(the german saying "is too many cooks will spoil >the porridge") (or "many cooks bring about a strong union") >but i'm far more worried about the needed support afterwards if you = want it to >be stable and used by millions --- TeX has that sort of for free as it = is >virtually bug free but that will not be true for an Omega successor The problem is that things change so quickly nowadays, so even if the programs are bug-free they outdate. Hans Aberg ------_=_NextPart_001_01C132DB.DCFED780 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LaTeX3 and Omega

At 21:06 +0200 2001/08/31, Frank Mittelbach = wrote:
> > Omega is definetely a step forward, but at = the same time pdfTeX is a step
> > forward. So I believe that the Omega team = must consider incorporate
> > the ability to generate PDF files in future = releases of the system.
>
>people are in disagreement about this. it is = certainly true that it is a major
>step forward now, but can it stay ahead or is the = pdf quality it is producing
>declining after a while?

How could the decline? I see how it could outdate, but = decline?

Another way to go might be to extend the DVI format, = or make an entirely
new one. There are some other formats around, like = VCG for displaying
graphics,
  http://rw4= .cs.uni-sb.de/users/sander/html/gsvcg1.html
which showed up in Bison now, but one cannot produce = PDF/PS/DVI from it, as
there are no converters written. So there appears to = be some need of
producing an independent format.

>(the german saying "is too many cooks will = spoil
>the porridge")

(or "many cooks bring about a strong = union")

>but i'm far more worried about the needed support = afterwards if you want it to
>be stable and used by millions --- TeX has that = sort of for free as it is
>virtually bug free but that will not be true for = an Omega successor

The problem is that things change so quickly nowadays, = so even if the
programs are bug-free they outdate.

  Hans Aberg

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