Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f4DKMbf17829 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 22:22:37 +0200 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f4DKMa717528 . for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 22:22:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0DBEA.7352A480" Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4DKMa005574 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 22:22:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA14406 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 22:22:32 +0200 (MEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4DKMWU06148 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 22:22:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <0.711FA480@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Sun, 13 May 2001 22:20:55 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 495401 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 13 May 2001 22:22:29 +0200 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA06342 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 22:22:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA190014 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 22:22:28 +0200 Received: from csc.albany.edu (sarah.albany.edu [169.226.1.103]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f4DKM4Q29614 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 22:22:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from pluto.math.albany.edu (pluto.math.albany.edu [169.226.23.44]) by csc.albany.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f4DKLbU22814 for ; Sun, 13 May 2001 16:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hammond@localhost) by pluto.math.albany.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f4DKLWN26967 for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sun, 13 May 2001 16:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Return-Path: Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Multilingual Encodings Summary 2.2 Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:21:32 +0100 Message-ID: <200105132021.f4DKLWN26967@pluto.math.albany.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "William F. Hammond" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4052 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DBEA.7352A480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I suspect Frank considers meaning to be a semantic concept, not a = visual. > > I also suspect that, but then if we pick a char it will be > undefined visually and its rendering (and TeX is essentially about > rendering) will need _always_ additional information about the context > (example: traditional idiograms in Japanese vs. simplified ones in > Chinese). I don't want to jump into the middle of this but to say that just today I came across an interesting document on this subject from May 1995 by Dan Connolly at = http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/html-spec/charset-harmful that is formally an expired IETF draft. -- Bill ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0DBEA.7352A480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Multilingual Encodings Summary 2.2

> > I suspect Frank considers meaning to be a = semantic concept, not a visual.
>
> I also suspect that, but then if we pick a char = it will be
> undefined visually and its rendering (and TeX is = essentially about
> rendering) will need _always_ additional = information about the context
> (example: traditional idiograms in Japanese vs. = simplified ones in
> Chinese).

I don't want to jump into the middle of this but to = say that just
today I came across an interesting document on this = subject from May
1995 by Dan Connolly at http://www.w3= .org/MarkUp/html-spec/charset-harmful
that is formally an expired IETF draft.

          &nbs= p;            = ;            = -- Bill

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