Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f3EHN6427037 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:23:06 +0200 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3EHN5H22059 . for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:23:05 +0200 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3EHN4001978 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:23:04 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0C507.9153B900" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24599 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:23:03 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3EHN3U01136 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:23:03 +0200 (MET DST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <11.AB95E442@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:22:12 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 493417 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:22:59 +0200 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA24096 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:22:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA41476 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:22:59 +0200 Received: from knatte.tninet.se (knatte.tninet.se [195.100.94.10]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id f3EHMwf14167 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:22:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (qmail 3465 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2001 19:22:57 +0200 Received: from delenn.tninet.se (HELO algonet.se) (195.100.94.104) by knatte.tninet.se with SMTP; 14 Apr 2001 19:22:57 +0200 Received: from [195.163.228.140] (sdu140-228.ppp.algonet.se [195.163.228.140]) by delenn.tninet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier 2.2.2) with ESMTP id 448925.268976.987delenn-s2 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2001 19:22:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: <15063.24303.386932.701284@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: Return-Path: X-Sender: lars@abel.math.umu.se Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: docindex package available Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 18:21:35 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lars_Hellstr=F6m?= Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4037 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C507.9153B900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 22.17 +0200 2001-04-13, Frank Mittelbach wrote: > > Despite my not knowing whether the release of a new LaTeX2e*-y = package is > > that much to mention anymore > >yes please, mention it, it looks great though I'm a bit horrified to = see that >somebody really attempted to let galley2 loose on the world :-) Well, so far I've only let it loose on doc.dtx and the LaTeX2e sources, = and neither came out looking worse than the average text you see coming out = of a word processor. :-) It has only been there because xhj needs it = though, and I've only been setting the justification, so I suspect that the = things you've done for the frontmatter stuff could serve just as well. But speaking about the justification ... I'm effectively making a = hanging indentation by giving leftskip and rightskip nonzero natural widths, = rather than by using any of the higher layer settings. This works fine but I suspect it would confuse quite a lot of code if used in a more general context, so it might need some thought. Maybe justification shouldn't be allowed to give these nonzero natural widths? [I'm not really expecting = an answer.] >as I said in the mail the other day, I really don't consider that = package >being "usable" in a real practical sense. But if you prove me wrong, so = much >the better. Neither do I, but I wonder how much code it would take to have it = "active" only in parts of a document (like e.g. the frontmatter) so that the formatting in the rest of the document could be controlled by old code? = If it isn't that much then it could be a good idea to have a go at it, as = it would make full scale experiments with the package much less = unattractive. > > Frank's mail the other day sounded like at least template and = something > > like xhj was fairly close to getting properly released, and I would > > consider that a Good Thing. > >so would I but I leave updating template.dtx to other David or others = (for the >moment at least) and like you work within its limits. >seems I gaveyou the wrong impression: what is going to be released = before May >is a fromt matter package (and perhaps with it a simple xhj version = that works >without galley2 so that i don't run into problems using the frontmatter >package in the real world :-) As I wrote above, that simple xhj version may be quite adequate for the needs of docindex. > > I'd still like to announce the availability of my own = docindex/docidx2e > > package, which can be found on CTAN in macros/latex/exptl/xdoc/ = since about > > a day. > >for some reason the xdocdemo.tex file the readme talks about is not on = CTAN >(though the ftp search has it in its cache) Appearently Robin removed it without my asking him to. I've written to = him about it. Lars ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C507.9153B900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: docindex package available

At 22.17 +0200 2001-04-13, Frank Mittelbach = wrote:
> > Despite my not knowing whether the release = of a new LaTeX2e*-y package is
> > that much to mention anymore
>
>yes please, mention it, it looks great though I'm = a bit horrified to see that
>somebody really attempted to let galley2 loose on = the world :-)

Well, so far I've only let it loose on doc.dtx and the = LaTeX2e sources, and
neither came out looking worse than the average text = you see coming out of
a word processor. :-)  It has only been there = because xhj needs it though,
and I've only been setting the justification, so I = suspect that the things
you've done for the frontmatter stuff could serve = just as well.

But speaking about the justification ...  I'm = effectively making a hanging
indentation by giving leftskip and rightskip nonzero = natural widths, rather
than by using any of the higher layer settings. This = works fine but I
suspect it would confuse quite a lot of code if used = in a more general
context, so it might need some thought. Maybe = justification shouldn't be
allowed to give these nonzero natural widths? [I'm = not really expecting an
answer.]

>as I said in the mail the other day, I really = don't consider that package
>being "usable" in a real practical = sense. But if you prove me wrong, so much
>the better.

Neither do I, but I wonder how much code it would take = to have it "active"
only in parts of a document (like e.g. the = frontmatter) so that the
formatting in the rest of the document could be = controlled by old code? If
it isn't that much then it could be a good idea to = have a go at it, as it
would make full scale experiments with the package = much less unattractive.

> > Frank's mail the other day sounded like at = least template and something
> > like xhj was fairly close to getting = properly released, and I would
> > consider that a Good Thing.
>
>so would I but I leave updating template.dtx to = other David or others (for the
>moment at least) and like you work within its = limits.
>seems I gaveyou the wrong impression: what is = going to be released before May
>is a fromt matter package (and perhaps with it a = simple xhj version that works
>without galley2 so that i don't run into problems = using the frontmatter
>package in the real world :-)

As I wrote above, that simple xhj version may be quite = adequate for the
needs of docindex.

> > I'd still like to announce the availability = of my own docindex/docidx2e
> > package, which can be found on CTAN in = macros/latex/exptl/xdoc/ since about
> > a day.
>
>for some reason the xdocdemo.tex file the readme = talks about is not on CTAN
>(though the ftp search has it in its = cache)

Appearently Robin removed it without my asking him to. = I've written to him
about it.

Lars

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