Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f3DKKt424054 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:55 +0200 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3DKKsH17591 . for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:54 +0200 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3DKKsU02367 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:54 +0200 (MET DST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0C457.3E222D80" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18857 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:53 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3DKKrU02363 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:53 +0200 (MET DST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <7.59C6C3D8@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:03 +0200 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 493431 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:49 +0200 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA17187 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA57712 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:49 +0200 Received: from sender.ngi.de (sender.ngi.de [212.79.47.18]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3DKKmf07960 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de (manz-3e3655d7.pool.mediaWays.net [62.54.85.215]) by sender.ngi.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F7996D29 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:20:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from latex3@localhost) by istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id WAA11998; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:17:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.4.1 X-Authentication-Warning: istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de: latex3 set sender to frank@mittelbach-online.de using -f Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: docindex package available Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 21:17:51 +0100 Message-ID: <15063.24303.386932.701284@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Frank Mittelbach" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4036 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C457.3E222D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Despite my not knowing whether the release of a new LaTeX2e*-y = package is > that much to mention anymore yes please, mention it, it looks great though I'm a bit horrified to see = that somebody really attempted to let galley2 loose on the world :-) as I said in the mail the other day, I really don't consider that = package being "usable" in a real practical sense. But if you prove me wrong, so = much the better. > Frank's mail the other day sounded like at least template and = something > like xhj was fairly close to getting properly released, and I would > consider that a Good Thing. so would I but I leave updating template.dtx to other David or others = (for the moment at least) and like you work within its limits. seems I gaveyou the wrong impression: what is going to be released = before May is a fromt matter package (and perhaps with it a simple xhj version that = works without galley2 so that i don't run into problems using the frontmatter package in the real world :-) > I'd still like to announce the availability of my own = docindex/docidx2e > package, which can be found on CTAN in macros/latex/exptl/xdoc/ since = about > a day. for some reason the xdocdemo.tex file the readme talks about is not on = CTAN (though the ftp search has it in its cache) > >From the more general perspective of LaTeX2e* development I suspect = that > the most interesting feature of the docindex package is that there is = also > a docidx2e package, which is docindex "downgraded" to work without = any > LaTeX2e* packages but still following the same general logic. I = believe the > comparison of programming styles can elucidate the advantages there = are > with the templated style (even for those who have mastered the = classical > style). > > I also think the markup of template definitions etc. came out quite = well. > People who are themselves writing templated packages may find it = worth > while to take a look at the typeset sources for that reason alone. this is really good news to hear for me and I would hope that a few = others would follow your advice. good night frank ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0C457.3E222D80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: docindex package available

 > Despite my not knowing whether the release = of a new LaTeX2e*-y package is
 > that much to mention anymore

yes please, mention it, it looks great though I'm a = bit horrified to see that
somebody really attempted to let galley2 loose on the = world :-)

as I said in the mail the other day, I really don't = consider that package
being "usable" in a real practical sense. = But if you prove me wrong, so much
the better.

 > Frank's mail the other day sounded like at = least template and something
 > like xhj was fairly close to getting = properly released, and I would
 > consider that a Good Thing.

so would I but I leave updating template.dtx to other = David or others (for the
moment at least) and like you work within its = limits.
seems I gaveyou the wrong impression: what is going = to be released before May
is a fromt matter package (and perhaps with it a = simple xhj version that works
without galley2 so that i don't run into problems = using the frontmatter
package in the real world :-)


 > I'd still like to announce the availability = of my own docindex/docidx2e
 > package, which can be found on CTAN in = macros/latex/exptl/xdoc/ since about
 > a day.

for some reason the xdocdemo.tex file the readme talks = about is not on CTAN
(though the ftp search has it in its cache)

 > >From the more general perspective of = LaTeX2e* development I suspect that
 > the most interesting feature of the = docindex package is that there is also
 > a docidx2e package, which is docindex = "downgraded" to work without any
 > LaTeX2e* packages but still following the = same general logic. I believe the
 > comparison of programming styles can = elucidate the advantages there are
 > with the templated style (even for those = who have mastered the classical
 > style).
 >
 > I also think the markup of template = definitions etc. came out quite well.
 > People who are themselves writing = templated packages may find it worth
 > while to take a look at the typeset = sources for that reason alone.

this is really good news to hear for me and I would = hope that a few others
would follow your advice.

good night
frank

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