Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f25IUuW11954 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:30:56 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f25IUts19037 . for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:30:55 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f25IUtJ00058 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:30:55 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5A2.6AB67000" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10861 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:30:54 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f25IUsV26135 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:30:54 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <4.3A136673@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:30:40 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 498463 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:25:08 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09450 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:25:07 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA46250 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:25:03 +0100 Received: from mout0.freenet.de (mout0.freenet.de [194.97.50.131]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f25IP3h24755 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 19:25:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14ZzfK-0005ms-00 for LATEX-L@urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 19:25:02 +0100 Received: from b123b.pppool.de ([213.7.18.59] helo=hoelderlin.localdomain) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14ZzfJ-0006hc-00 for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 05 Mar 2001 19:25:01 +0100 Received: (from marcel@localhost) by hoelderlin.localdomain (8.9.3/8.8.7) id SAA05050; Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:38:34 +0100 In-Reply-To: <14996.10446.221542.469341@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: <200102131350.IAA05912@hilbert.math.albany.edu> <14985.38673.90940.10236@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14985.49901.719230.884652@spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14996.10446.221542.469341@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under Emacs 20.4.1 X-Authentication-Warning: hoelderlin.localdomain: marcel set sender to marcel@hoelderlin.localdomain using -f Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or Unicode?) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 18:38:34 +0100 Message-ID: <15011.53018.104354.912694@hoelderlin.localdomain> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Marcel Oliver" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4024 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5A2.6AB67000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Frank Mittelbach writes: > Sebastian wrote: > > > > but it doesn't go all the way and I guess something like > > > LaTeX still has a place in the game; so far I don't quite > > > believe in XSL engines that drive a > > > > quite. this is a criticism of XSL Formatting Objects, not XML or > > Unicode, which is the core consideration. > > indeed. my criticism of Unicode is in other areas. however unicode > is a fact and as such better as nothing. Frank, I am trying right now (after being away for a while) to update the multilingual encodings summary. I think you have hinted at imperfections of Unicode more than once. Do you have any concrete points that are interesting/relevant to this discussion, which I could add to the document? Thanks, Marcel ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0A5A2.6AB67000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or = Unicode?)

Frank Mittelbach writes:
 > Sebastian wrote:
 >
 >  >  > but it doesn't go = all the way and I guess something like
 >  >  > LaTeX still has a = place in the game; so far I don't quite
 >  >  > believe in XSL = engines that drive a
 >  >
 >  > quite. this is a criticism of = XSL Formatting Objects, not XML or
 >  > Unicode, which is the core = consideration.
 >
 > indeed. my criticism of Unicode is in = other areas. however unicode
 > is a fact and as such better as = nothing.

Frank, I am trying right now (after being away for a = while) to update
the multilingual encodings summary.  I think you = have hinted at
imperfections of Unicode more than once.  Do you = have any concrete
points that are interesting/relevant to this = discussion, which I could
add to the document?

Thanks,

Marcel

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