Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f1F9vXH12480 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:33 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1F9vWd09970 . for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:32 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1F9vWM13734 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:32 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09735.B7422480" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA14166 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1F9vVM13729 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:31 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <1.8A4FCF80@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:23 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 488532 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:27 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07607 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:12 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA09400 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:12 +0100 Received: from knatte.tninet.se (knatte.tninet.se [195.100.94.10]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with SMTP id f1F9vDx25636 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:13 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 4702 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2001 10:57:10 +0100 Received: from delenn.tninet.se (HELO algonet.se) (195.100.94.104) by knatte.tninet.se with SMTP; 15 Feb 2001 10:57:10 +0100 Received: from [195.100.226.155] (du155-226.ppp.su-anst.tninet.se [195.100.226.155]) by delenn.tninet.se (BLUETAIL Mail Robustifier 2.2.1) with ESMTP id 694146.231029.982delenn-s0 for ; Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:57:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <2.07b5.ST1X.G8RY96@cherepan.mccme.ru> References: Your message of "Fri, 09 Feb 2001 22:50:15 +0100." Return-Path: X-Sender: haberg@pop.matematik.su.se Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Why markup? Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:56:14 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Hans Aberg" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3934 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09735.B7422480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 04:17 +0300 2001/02/15, Alexander Cherepanov wrote: >So (my) conclusion is: since there are cases which cannot be parsed by = a >human, markup is not only for stupid computers but is unavoidable in >principle and is essential when you express such delicate things as >thoughts in such a coarse form as a written text. If a sentence cannot be parsed by a human, it is of little use in the = human world I gather. Also, if some kind of information is deemed necessary to humans for the parsing of something, one could clearly not expect a computer to parse it without it. It's like a + b could not be computed explicitly to a number if what a and b should be is not somehow = indicated. -- The letters themselves are a kind of markup. Did you expect to avoid them as well? :-) Hans Aberg ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09735.B7422480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Why markup?

At 04:17 +0300 2001/02/15, Alexander Cherepanov = wrote:
>So (my) conclusion is: since there are cases = which cannot be parsed by a
>human, markup is not only for stupid computers = but is unavoidable in
>principle and is essential when you express such = delicate things as
>thoughts in such a coarse form as a written = text.

If a sentence cannot be parsed by a human, it is of = little use in the human
world I gather. Also, if some kind of information is = deemed necessary to
humans for the parsing of something, one could = clearly not expect a
computer to parse it without it. It's like a + b = could not be computed
explicitly to a number if what a and b should be is = not somehow indicated.

-- The letters themselves are a kind of markup. Did = you expect to avoid
them as well? :-)

  Hans Aberg

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