Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f1DKW7H28128 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:32:07 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1DKW7d02811 . for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:32:07 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1DKW6706656 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:32:06 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C095FC.084DFD80" Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.57]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12591 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:32:05 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1DKW4706649 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:32:04 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <3.DAA09530@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:31:56 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 488967 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:28:34 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA09795 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:28:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA26508 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:28:33 +0100 Received: from moutvdom01.kundenserver.de (moutvdom01.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.200]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1DKSXg07068 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:28:33 +0100 (MET) Received: from [195.20.224.209] (helo=mrvdom02.schlund.de) by moutvdom01.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Sm3m-0006JN-00 for LATEX-L@urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:28:26 +0100 Received: from manz-3e364871.pool.mediaways.net ([62.54.72.113] helo=istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de) by mrvdom02.schlund.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 14Sm4O-0000v7-00 for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:29:04 +0100 Received: (from latex3@localhost) by istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) id VAA24742; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:20:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200102131350.IAA05912@hilbert.math.albany.edu> References: <200102131350.IAA05912@hilbert.math.albany.edu> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.4.1 X-Authentication-Warning: istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de: latex3 set sender to frank@mittelbach-online.de using -f Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or Unicode?) Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:20:33 +0100 Message-ID: <14985.38673.90940.10236@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Frank Mittelbach" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3897 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C095FC.084DFD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable William F. Hammond writes: > The question lingers, however, as to whether we view xml as off topic > here. On the one hand, xmltex is something that runs through LaTeX, > and, on the other hand, if xml is a presence, it changes the package > writing scene inasmuch as some of the things that people get from > packages can be provided (sometimes better) before regular LaTeX > action begins. I don't think that xml is off topic at all. personally what I'm = concerned with is providing mechanism and concepts that can be used to achieve good typography. i certainly agree that something as xml can handle certain = things better than clumsy attempts in the past doing it in (La)TeX. but it doesn't go all the way and I guess something like LaTeX still has = a place in the game; so far I don't quite believe in XSL engines that = drive a low-level formatter which is not capable of properly quering its = generated typography data (something TeX(variant) systems can). frank ------_=_NextPart_001_01C095FC.084DFD80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or = Unicode?)

William F. Hammond writes:

 > The question lingers, however, as to = whether we view xml as off topic
 > here.  On the one hand, xmltex is = something that runs through LaTeX,
 > and, on the other hand, if xml is a = presence, it changes the package
 > writing scene inasmuch as some of the = things that people get from
 > packages can be provided (sometimes = better) before regular LaTeX
 > action begins.

I don't think that xml is off topic at all. personally = what I'm concerned with
is providing mechanism and concepts that can be used = to achieve good
typography. i certainly agree that something as xml = can handle certain things
better than clumsy attempts in the past doing it in = (La)TeX.

but it doesn't go all the way and I guess something = like LaTeX still has a
place in the game; so far I don't quite believe in = XSL engines that drive a
low-level formatter which is not capable of properly = quering its generated
typography data (something TeX(variant) systems = can).

frank

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