Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f1DNHgH29138 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:17:42 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1DNHfd03620 . for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:17:42 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1DNHf717387 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:17:41 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09613.2A06AF00" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11321 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:17:41 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1DNHeM04373 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:17:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <15.614FBBE3@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 0:13:11 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 487400 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:09:05 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA11744 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:09:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA31706 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:09:04 +0100 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail4.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.33]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1DN94g03562 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2001 00:09:04 +0100 (MET) Received: from heraldgate2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.50] helo=frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14SoZD-0000ip-00 for LATEX-L@urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:09:03 +0000 Received: from max13.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.13] helo=spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ident=rahtz) by frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 14SoZF-000302-00 for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 23:09:05 +0000 In-Reply-To: <200102131836.SAA06329@penguin.nag.co.uk> References: <200102131655.QAA05656@penguin.nag.co.uk> <14985.27933.205182.551235@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <200102131836.SAA06329@penguin.nag.co.uk> Return-Path: X-Mailer: emacs 20.6.1 (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.86 under Emacs 20.6.1 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: Multilingual Encodings Summary Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:07:25 +0100 Message-ID: <14985.37885.932762.55875@spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Sebastian Rahtz" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3895 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09613.2A06AF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Carlisle writes: > > - What are the platforms that can compile TeX but cannot compile > > Omega? > platforms for which you don't have the TeX source, or (probably) > if you only have a pascal compiler. Pretend I'm a Mac user and > tell me how to install an omega-only-latex on textures. if you cared, you'd be moving to the new Maccy/Unixy OS anyway, where web2c will compile. you just have to forget Textures. > > - Will things get harder or easier with Omega? > If it isn't easier to handle unicode in Omega than in standard TeX = then > something is radically wrong with the world. I have news for you, David.... the world has a lot wrong with it! By the way, let's bear in mind that after 4 years of co-existence, there is no sign at all of an Omega/pdfTeX merge. No-one has stepped forward to claim they will even try it. Since I'd regard that as a moderately easy task (in theory), it suggests to me that the starting point (the ghashly mess called the Pascally Web code) is inimical to future work. I know Thanh does not enjoy hacking it; I know John Plaice hates it; yet here we still are. In theory, of course, we have all the work put into NTS, but the assumption has to be that NTS is black hole. We all *talk*, but who amongst us is really able to put serious coding time into all this? (I exclude, for instance, Javier working on OmegaLaTeX). Sebastian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09613.2A06AF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Multilingual Encodings Summary

David Carlisle writes:
 > > - What are the platforms that can = compile TeX but cannot compile
 > >   Omega?
 > platforms for which you don't have the TeX = source, or (probably)
 > if you only have a pascal compiler. = Pretend I'm a Mac user and
 > tell me how to install an omega-only-latex = on textures.

if you cared, you'd be moving to the new Maccy/Unixy = OS anyway, where
web2c will compile. you just have to forget = Textures.

 > > - Will things get harder or easier = with Omega?
 > If it isn't easier to handle unicode in = Omega than in standard TeX then
 > something is radically wrong with the = world.

I have news for you, David.... the world has a lot = wrong with it!

By the way, let's bear in mind that after 4 years of = co-existence,
there is no sign at all of an Omega/pdfTeX merge. = No-one has stepped
forward to claim they will even try it. Since I'd = regard that as a
moderately easy task (in theory), it suggests to me = that the starting
point (the ghashly mess called the Pascally Web code) = is inimical to
future work. I know Thanh does not enjoy hacking it; = I know John
Plaice hates it; yet here we still are. In theory, of = course, we have
all the work put into NTS, but the assumption has to = be that NTS is
black hole.

We all *talk*, but who amongst us is really able to = put serious coding
time into all this? (I exclude, for instance, Javier = working on
OmegaLaTeX).

Sebastian

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