Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f1CLlbH21968 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:47:37 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1CLlad30980 . for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:47:36 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CLlVM19732 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:47:31 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0953D.69FB6280" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25349 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:47:30 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CLlTM19725 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:47:30 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <12.39D515F6@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:47:22 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 489264 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:47:26 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21009 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:47:24 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA38380 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:47:25 +0100 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail3.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.180]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CLlPu01395 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 22:47:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from heraldgate2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.50] helo=frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14SQoa-0004H9-00 for LATEX-L@urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:47:20 +0000 Received: from max73.public.ox.ac.uk ([192.76.27.73] helo=spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ident=rahtz) by frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 14SQob-0000mx-00 for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:47:21 +0000 In-Reply-To: <200102121739.SAA08096@ohio.bank.dresdner.net> References: <14982.58110.488910.461010@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <14982.45082.150652.74719@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14982.51989.349221.285820@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14982.52380.897443.588837@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <14982.53422.402117.63648@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14983.2022.587938.334186@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14983.47178.155759.245619@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <20010212145128.A15449@turing.maths.tcd.ie> <14983.64319.129182.60126@fell.open.ac.uk> <14984.64.432416.64500@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <14984.2975.249847.854981@fell.open.ac.uk> <14984.3191.15849.63044@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <200102121739.SAA08096@ohio.bank.dresdner.net> Return-Path: X-Mailer: emacs 20.6.1 (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.86 under Emacs 20.6.1 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or Unicode?) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 21:28:52 +0100 Message-ID: <14984.18308.756533.288852@spqr2.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Sebastian Rahtz" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3864 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0953D.69FB6280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joachim Schrod writes: > As an authoring language, XML is inadequate beyond recognition. It's > reasonably good for exchange of data and well suited for archiving > documents, but not made for human consumption. Between 1985 and 1999 I wrote LaTeX practically every day of my life. Since 1999 I have written XML practically every day. I barely notice the extra characters, and in general my day to day authoring is more satisyfying. No, I am not joking at all. > still psgmls on (X)Emacs is one of the best authoring environments > around; that's a shame. why is it a shame? its an excellent editor. tried epcEdit :-} > and all showed that the hype that's spread by XML fanatics isn't = worth > the paper it's printed on (or the disk space it's stored in). I'll > tell you, these projects were more than depressing... possibly, possibly not. but I bet we can both agree that they are more successful than the attempts to spread LaTeX in the `real' world! In a moment, Frank will shout at me in private for getting off the subject of the list, and complain in public that no-one takes the L3 research seriously enough. Sebastian "prescient" Rahtz ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0953D.69FB6280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or = Unicode?)

Joachim Schrod writes:
 > As an authoring language, XML is = inadequate beyond recognition. It's
 > reasonably good for exchange of data and = well suited for archiving
 > documents, but not made for human = consumption.

Between 1985 and 1999 I wrote LaTeX practically every = day of my
life. Since 1999 I have written XML practically every = day. I barely
notice the extra characters, and in general my day to = day authoring is
more satisyfying. No, I am not joking at all.

 > still psgmls on (X)Emacs is one of the best = authoring environments
 > around; that's a shame.

why is it a shame? its an excellent editor. tried = epcEdit :-}

 > and all showed that the hype that's spread = by XML fanatics isn't worth
 > the paper it's printed on (or the disk = space it's stored in). I'll
 > tell you, these projects were more than = depressing...

possibly, possibly not. but I bet we can both agree = that they are more
successful than the attempts to spread LaTeX in the = `real' world!

In a moment, Frank will shout at me in private for = getting off the
subject of the list, and complain in public that = no-one takes the L3
research seriously enough.

Sebastian "prescient" Rahtz

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