Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f1CHa3H21297 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:36:04 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1CHa3d30106 . for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:36:03 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CHa2M00884 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:36:02 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C0951A.45DA5A00" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA05268 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:35:58 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CHZwM00861 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:35:58 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <11.16BA6929@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:35:51 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 488916 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:35:55 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13187 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:35:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA30262 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:35:53 +0100 Received: from abel.math.umu.se (abel.math.umu.se [130.239.20.139]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CHZru00703 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:35:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from [130.239.20.144] (mac144.math.umu.se [130.239.20.144]) by abel.math.umu.se (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA11857 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:34:03 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <14983.519.363031.751628@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: <14980.23750.628032.305093@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <200102091445.JAA00482@plmsc.psu.edu> <200102091643.RAA23818@mozart.ujf-grenoble.Fr> <14980.23750.628032.305093@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Return-Path: X-Sender: lars@abel.math.umu.se x-mime-autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de id SAA13188 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Font encodings (Was: Re: inputenc text (and/or math)) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 18:35:52 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lars_Hellstr=F6m?= Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3859 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0951A.45DA5A00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 22.20 +0100 2001-02-11, Frank Mittelbach wrote: >if you want to hear a provocative statement (to get >some more mail tonight): > > are we sure we want to stay with T1? > >I mean, don't we know by now that a number of ideas we had when we came = up >with T1 (ie the Cork encoding) are full of flaws? (yes I was one of the = guys >being part of the group of people deciding on it, so yes i can blame = myself >:-) > >should it perhaps be LY1 suitably renamed (or something similar)? No. Unless you can provide a good argument for why letters and the kind = of symbols which currently reside in TS1 have to appear in the same font = there is no reason for switching to LY1 or something similar to that. It is another matter though that T1 cannot cover all the European = languages with latin scripts (as I suspect was originally the intention), so for = e.g. Romanian and other languages that need comma accents one would need = another encoding (say T1A). Until someone sits down and creates that however, = could there perhaps be a slot in TS1 assigned to the comma accent (like it currently is for the \t accent)? It wouldn't be sufficient for = hyphenation, but it would at least make it possible to use the accent in general = texts. (My interest in the matter is that it would be nice to have that put = into ts1.etx before the final fontinst v1.9 is released.) Lars Hellstr=F6m ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0951A.45DA5A00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Font encodings (Was: Re: inputenc text (and/or = math))

At 22.20 +0100 2001-02-11, Frank Mittelbach = wrote:
>if you want to hear a provocative statement (to = get
>some more mail tonight):
>
>  are we sure we want to stay with = T1?
>
>I mean, don't we know by now that a number of = ideas we had when we came up
>with T1 (ie the Cork encoding) are full of flaws? = (yes I was one of the guys
>being part of the group of people deciding on it, = so yes i can blame myself
>:-)
>
>should it perhaps be LY1 suitably renamed (or = something similar)?

No. Unless you can provide a good argument for why = letters and the kind of
symbols which currently reside in TS1 have to appear = in the same font there
is no reason for switching to LY1 or something = similar to that.

It is another matter though that T1 cannot cover all = the European languages
with latin scripts (as I suspect was originally the = intention), so for e.g.
Romanian and other languages that need comma accents = one would need another
encoding (say T1A). Until someone sits down and = creates that however, could
there perhaps be a slot in TS1 assigned to the comma = accent (like it
currently is for the \t accent)? It wouldn't be = sufficient for hyphenation,
but it would at least make it possible to use the = accent in general texts.
(My interest in the matter is that it would be nice = to have that put into
ts1.etx before the final fontinst v1.9 is = released.)

Lars Hellstr=F6m

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