Received: from webgate.proteosys.de (mail.proteosys-ag.com [62.225.9.49]) by lucy.proteosys (8.11.0/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with ESMTP id f1CF2a919791 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:02:36 +0100 Received: by webgate.proteosys.de (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f1CF2Zd29611 . for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:02:35 +0100 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailserver1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.30]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CF2ZM15695 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:02:35 +0100 (MET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C09504.D5750E00" Received: from mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.56]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA24632 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:02:34 +0100 (MET) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (mail.listserv.gmd.de [192.88.97.5]) by mailgate1.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CF2YM15691 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:02:34 +0100 (MET) Received: from mail.listserv.gmd.de (192.88.97.5) by mail.listserv.gmd.de (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <12.A8F1CB3D@mail.listserv.gmd.de>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:02:27 +0100 Received: from RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE by RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8b) with spool id 488550 for LATEX-L@RELAY.URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:02:26 +0100 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA09587 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:02:25 +0100 (MET) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (relay.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.100.212]) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA33952 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:02:26 +0100 Received: from oxmail.ox.ac.uk (oxmail2.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.1]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f1CF2Qu02060 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:02:26 +0100 (MET) Received: from heraldgate2.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.50] helo=frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk ident=exim) by oxmail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1) id 14SKUi-0003vx-00 for LATEX-L@urz.uni-heidelberg.de; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:02:24 +0000 Received: from spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.15.17]) by frontend2.herald.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 14SKUj-0002IS-00 for LATEX-L@URZ.UNI-HEIDELBERG.DE; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:02:25 +0000 In-Reply-To: <20010212145128.A15449@turing.maths.tcd.ie> References: <14982.58110.488910.461010@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <14982.45082.150652.74719@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14982.51989.349221.285820@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14982.52380.897443.588837@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <14982.53422.402117.63648@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14983.2022.587938.334186@istrati.zdv.uni-mainz.de> <14983.47178.155759.245619@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> <20010212145128.A15449@turing.maths.tcd.ie> Return-Path: X-Mailer: VM 6.86 under Emacs 20.7.2 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Subject: Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or Unicode?) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:00:06 +0100 Message-ID: <14983.64118.358559.646207@spqr.oucs.ox.ac.uk> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: From: "Sebastian Rahtz" Sender: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" To: "Multiple recipients of list LATEX-L" Reply-To: "Mailing list for the LaTeX3 project" Status: R X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3850 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09504.D5750E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Timothy Murphy writes: > > TeX, per se, failed in its attempt to take over the world. > > Did Knuth ever intend to "take over the world"? his acolytes did > In the Introduction to the TeXbook Knuth says that TeX was intended > "especially for books that contain a lot of mathematics". > > In this area TeX _has_ taken over the world, > and there is absolutely no evidence that *ML > is challenging its pre-eminence. so all those undergraduates who used to learn TeX and are now using Word do not exist? sebastian ------_=_NextPart_001_01C09504.D5750E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: LaTeX's internal char prepresentation (UTF8 or = Unicode?)

Timothy Murphy writes:
 > > TeX, per se, failed in its attempt to = take over the world.
 >
 > Did Knuth ever intend to "take over = the world"?

his acolytes did

 > In the Introduction to the TeXbook Knuth = says that TeX was intended
 > "especially for books that contain a = lot of mathematics".
 >
 > In this area TeX _has_ taken over the = world,
 > and there is absolutely no evidence that = *ML
 > is challenging its pre-eminence.

so all those undergraduates who used to learn TeX and = are now using
Word do not exist?

sebastian

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